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Discussion Groups / English Usage / March 2006Such\Sic
Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the Scots word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the word "such" is related at an ancient level to the Latin word Sic, which has a similar meaning to "such" : "such as it is written". Coincidence? ~Iain On 20 Mar 2006, Iain wrote > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the > Scots word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Coincidence? Not sure. OED roots "such" in Old English, with corresponding words in Old Friesian -- but presumably there could be some Indo-European ur-root common to both.  SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the Scots > word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the word "such" > is related at an ancient level to the Latin word Sic, which has a > similar meaning to "such" : "such as it is written". > > Coincidence? Seems to be. "such" seems to have come from an original Teutonic "swaliko" or something like that. ('swa' = so, 'liko' = body, form therefore "so formed") Gradually the 'l' and the 'w' got lost and an 'h' tacked on. Similar to modern German "solch". And the Scots version also seems to have come from "swilk" having lost the 'w' and 'l' but not (yet) gained the 'h'. SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the Scots > > word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the word "such" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > (yet) gained the 'h'. > -- ~ In a Mickey Mouse comic I got free with a newspaper, Mickey said, "Let's sic 'im!". I've often wondered what the etymological root of 'sic' was! Nick >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the Scots >> > word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the word "such" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I've often wondered what the etymological root of 'sic' was! Also seen as "sick". I believe the root is "seek" as an instruction to a hunting animal. "Seek him" becomes "Sic 'im" becomes "sic". You also see "Sick the dogs onto him". ("Sick the dog" not to be confused with "Spit the dog"). SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the Scots > >> > word for Such is Sic, which inspires me to ask whether the word "such" [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > dog"). > -- ~ <g> Could be - interesting comics from the 30s - as for Spit, did u know Goofy used to be Dippy Dog? :-) Nick >> >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the >> >> > Scots [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > <g> Could be - interesting comics from the 30s - as for Spit, did u > know Goofy used to be Dippy Dog? :-) Wadden that "Dawg", dog? I know Mickey used to be Mortimer and Duke used to be Marion SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >> >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the > >> >> > Scots [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Wadden that "Dawg", dog? > I know Mickey used to be Mortimer and Duke used to be Marion ~ Yep! AND Ray was Reginald Truscott-Jones! Nick >> >> >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the >> >> >> > Scots [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > ~ > Yep! AND Ray was Reginald Truscott-Jones! I'll see your Reginald Truscott-Jones and raise it an Archibald Leach and a William Pratt. SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >> >> >> > Maybe this has been asked before, but I noticed lately that the > >> >> >> > Scots [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > William Pratt. > -- ~ OK, I see your pair and raise you Issur Danielvich and Bernard Swartz (spelling from memory!). Nick >>>>>> -- >>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Nick Is that a twittering I hear? Must be Frances Gumm and Doris Kappelhoff. (also from memory) SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Is that a twittering I hear? Must be Frances Gumm and Doris Kappelhoff. > (also from memory) No... I think it's Tula Finklea and Frederick Austerlitz SignatureYou cannot compromise an artist's vision. --Ed Wood >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > No... I think it's Tula Finklea and Frederick Austerlitz Sure you're not mixing them up with Betty Jane Perske and Virginia McMath? SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Sure you're not mixing them up with Betty Jane Perske and Virginia McMath? ~ Throwing in my hand! :-( Nick >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > ~ > Throwing in my hand! :-( Izzat Koralin Hand or William Hand? SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Izzat Koralin Hand or William Hand? ~ Don't know 'em - only know Israel, but he's plural! Nick >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > ~ > Don't know 'em - only know Israel, but he's plural! Hence - "All Hands on deck!" SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> ~ [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Hence - "All Hands on deck!" ~ <g> Nick |
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