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Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the future. What can I read or prepare to accumulate my knowledge for the future? Evelyn ha escrito: > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about > English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the > future. What can I read or prepare to accumulate my knowledge for the > future? Where are you? Will you be teaching English literature to native speakers, or will you be teaching non-English-speaking people to read, write, and speak English? Cece > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about > English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the > future. What can I read or prepare to accumulate my knowledge for the > future? Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? > > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about > > English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I > mention Shakespeare? Yup, but you missed out Donne and Sidney! Phil  Signature"Home taping is killing big business profits. We left this side blank so you can help." -- Dead Kennedys, written upon the B-side of tapes of /In God We Trust, Inc./. >> > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses >> > about English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Phil Thank you -- so I did. Also, Wordworth, Shelley, Keats, Tennyson, Browning, Rossetti, Yeats, Woolf, T.S. Eliot, and from this side of the pond, Twain, Poe, Longfellow, Holmes, Whitman, Melville, Steinbeck, Williams, and after all of that, maybe re-read a little Shakespeare for leisure. >>> > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses >>> > about English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Williams, and after all of that, maybe re-read a little Shakespeare for >leisure. Ah, much better! >> > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about >> > English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Phil ..and accidentally included Hemingway! >>> > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses >>> > about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ..and accidentally included Hemingway! Hey, just because he never wrote anything containing greater than three syllable words doesn't mean he didn't tell a heartfelt story. Now, I'm going fishing. :) > >>> > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses > >>> > about [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Now, I'm going fishing. :) I've never been motivated to read Hemingway. Trollope, yes, but not Hemingway. >> Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about >> English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Shakespeare, Chaucer, Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I > mention Shakespeare? I doubt that there is anyone here who loves Shakespeare's work more than I do, but it is completely useless in a second-language teaching context. And Chaucer? That's useless even for native speakers. > >> Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about > >> English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I doubt that there is anyone here who loves Shakespeare's work more than > I do, but it is completely useless in a second-language teaching context. Depends on the goals of the course, eh? > And Chaucer? That's useless even for native speakers. >> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, >> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? > > I doubt that there is anyone here who loves Shakespeare's work more >than > I do, but it is completely useless in a second-language teaching >context. What do you base that on? Any serious teacher of the English language will be conversant, at least, on the classics. > And Chaucer? That's useless even for native speakers. You base your opinion on something, true? You must have read it. I had to read it in a second-year English. Why would you deprive the OP of the experience. If she wants to be taken seriously in the academic world, she will be knowledgable. Your posts are not constructive. Your intention may be to develop the topic, however, at times, your means can be harmful to the serious questioner. SignatureYours, Dan S. Reporting to you from South Bend -The first step to beating an addiction is to admit that you believe in addictions. >>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, >>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What do you base that on? Any serious teacher of the English language will > be conversant, at least, on the classics. Did I say "teacher"? I believe I said "in a second-language teaching context". >> And Chaucer? That's useless even for native speakers. > > You base your opinion on something, true? You must have read it. I had to > read it in a second-year English. Why would you deprive the OP of the > experience. If she wants to be taken seriously in the academic world, she > will be knowledgable. I've taught ESL courses (the first thing I do in any country I travel to is hunt down the good private English schools, because it gives you an instant social life, outside of the work environment, and good networking opportunities). The last thing that ESL learners need is to be confused by the addition to their studies of "dead" English dialects. If you, for example, needed to learn Italian, would you take a Latin course? Would you want to study Dante? You would have enough trouble with modern Italian; you wouldn't need the unnecessary burden of trying to remember which "language" is current, and to be used, and which language is (for reasons you will not be able to fully understand) considered "important" by native speakers. > Your posts are not constructive. Your intention may be to develop the > topic, however, at times, your means can be harmful to the serious > questioner. Au contraire. My posts are common sense, which is something that is often lost to this group. As I said, there are few who love Shakespeare's work more than I, and fewer yet who have read/recited/performed it as much (I am always amazed at the number of Shakespeare "fans" who have read no more than a play or two), but it is worse than useless to someone who is learning English as a second language. Once they have finished learning, and are at a near-native-speaker level, they will undoubtedly enjoy it without any prompting (although I have found that most prefer the translations in their own language). And your posting, no matter how intentioned, was not at all constructive. Think on that. > >>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, > >>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > And your posting, no matter how intentioned, was not at all > constructive. Think on that. Shkespeare should be readable by anyone conversant with Modern English. Very little of Mr S is quite obsolete. >>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, >>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > Shkespeare should be readable by anyone conversant with Modern English. Indeed. So you need to teach the students modern English, which is what they are paying to learn. Poetic usage of language is not normally high on the requirements of a course. Getting the verbs right and increasing vocabulary usually rank top. > >>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, > >>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Poetic usage of language is not normally high on the requirements of a > course. Getting the verbs right and increasing vocabulary usually rank top. Right. But Shakespeare should be manageable after a few months. >>>>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, >>>>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Right. But Shakespeare should be manageable after a few months. I get the impression you have never learned a foreign language. Like I said: Studying Dante is useless to a second-language learner of Italian. If you personally had spent "a few months" learning Italian, you would still be mystified by Dante (which is the poetic equivalent of Shakespeare). I am near-native in Italian, but still have to switch between the Italian version and English translations (note the plural), because poetic language is not quite the same thing as the living language. The teaching of Shakespeare would, if anything, be harmful to an ESL student. Teaching how to answer the telephone or write reports is far more useful. Verbs. Prepositions. Possessive case. Punctuation. Idioms/phrasal verbs. Vocabulary (which is virtually unteachable). Leave the poetry for the student to make a decision on. > >>>>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, > >>>>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > I get the impression you have never learned a foreign language. Have you not seen my discussions here about Kant's German? > Like I said: Studying Dante is useless to a second-language learner of > Italian. If you personally had spent "a few months" learning Italian, > you would still be mystified by Dante (which is the poetic equivalent of > Shakespeare). I am near-native in Italian, but still have to switch > between the Italian version and English translations (note the plural), > because poetic language is not quite the same thing as the living language. Shakespeare is not epic poetry. The plays are in ordinary English of the time. > The teaching of Shakespeare would, if anything, be harmful to an ESL > student. Teaching how to answer the telephone or write reports is far > more useful. I'm just saying that a little Shakespeare would not be untoward. > Verbs. Prepositions. Possessive case. Punctuation. Idioms/phrasal > verbs. Vocabulary (which is virtually unteachable). > > Leave the poetry for the student to make a decision on. It's not all posey. >>>>>>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, >>>>>>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Have you not seen my discussions here about Kant's German? No, thanks. I've enough to do with the languages I know. >> Like I said: Studying Dante is useless to a second-language learner of >> Italian. If you personally had spent "a few months" learning Italian, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Shakespeare is not epic poetry. The plays are in ordinary English of > the time. I did not say they are epic poetry; that is another thing altogether. I said they were poetic language, which is a far cry from what ESL learners need to be bridled with -- unless you want to kn\ake them feel inferior, of course; some people get their kicks, that way. >> The teaching of Shakespeare would, if anything, be harmful to an ESL >> student. Teaching how to answer the telephone or write reports is far >> more useful. > > I'm just saying that a little Shakespeare would not be untoward. We are not talking about people who want to stand up and make, grand, poetic statements about the trivia of life, we are talking about people who want to gain enough confidence in their use of the language to be able to say their piece in meetings, etc. >> Verbs. Prepositions. Possessive case. Punctuation. Idioms/phrasal >> verbs. Vocabulary (which is virtually unteachable). >> >> Leave the poetry for the student to make a decision on. > > It's not all posey. > >>>>>>>>> "Evelyn" <purple_evelynli@hotmail.com> wrote in Shakespeare, Chaucer, > >>>>>>>>> Milton, Hawthorne, Hemingway, Faulkner, ... Did I mention Shakespeare? [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > who want to gain enough confidence in their use of the language to be > able to say their piece in meetings, etc. I understand. Do you know, though, how many quotes from Shakespeare have entered our daily language? http://www.william-shakespeare.info/william-shakespeare-quotes.htm > >> Verbs. Prepositions. Possessive case. Punctuation. Idioms/phrasal > >> verbs. Vocabulary (which is virtually unteachable). > >> > >> Leave the poetry for the student to make a decision on. > > > > It's not all posey. >>> I'm just saying that a little Shakespeare would not be untoward. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I understand. Do you know, though, how many quotes from Shakespeare > have entered our daily language? Yup, but there's some debate over how many words he actually invented (some say as many as 3,000), and how many he was just the first to put down in writing. > http://www.william-shakespeare.info/william-shakespeare-quotes.htm > >>> I'm just saying that a little Shakespeare would not be untoward. > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > (some say as many as 3,000), and how many he was just the first to put > down in writing. I don't mean just words, but phrases too. > > http://www.william-shakespeare.info/william-shakespeare-quotes.htm > but it is worse than useless to someone who is learning English as a > >second language. My suggestions were for those who aspire to teach. I'm aware that ESL is different than teaching native speakers the classics. However, that said, the OP asked what she should read to increase her knowledge. I'm sure her ESL teachers will give her all of the grammer/structure books she needs. >> but it is worse than useless to someone who is learning English as a >> >second language. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the OP asked what she should read to increase her knowledge. I'm sure her > ESL teachers will give her all of the grammer/structure books she needs. AIRI, the OP asked about teacher-training courses, not about "any old information that might come in handy". If the latter had been the case, I would have suggested Nelkon & Parker, not Shakespeare. >>> Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about >>> English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >And Chaucer? That's useless even for native speakers. 1. She wants to accumulate knowledge. 2. ESL isn't mentioned. Any English teacher worth a carrot will have knowledge of Chaucer and Shakespeare. > Now I major in English in colleage. I'm interested in the courses about > English teaching, because I want to be an English teacher in the > future. What can I read or prepare to accumulate my knowledge for the > future? You have a long way to go. "I am currently in college, majoring in English. I'm interested in taking courses about teaching English, because I intend to become an English teacher. What can I read or use to prepare for this vocation?" THAT is English. |
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