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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006win-win situation: opposite?
I've heard people talking of no-win situations and win-win situations. But is there anything like a lose-lost situation? thanks in advance! Klaus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter, die bei mir bis jetzt 446 Spammails entfernt hat. Für private Anwender ist SPAMfighter völlig kostenlos! Jetzt gratis testen: hier klicken. No. "Win Win", "Lose Lose" and "Win Lose" are terms that come from a branch of psychology called game therory. They reflect the possible outcomes of a two player game. They are the names of the four cells of a 2X2 matrix. The two axis of the matrix are labled "lose" "win" . Each axis represents the outcome for one of the two players. So the upper right cell is called "win win". The lower left cell is caled "lose lose". As in the case of the USA & Iraq. The upper left cell is called "win lose". The lower right cell is called "lose win" "No win" means something slightly different. A "No win" situation refers to the options of a single player. It means that no matter what choice the player makes he will lose. An example of this is when your wife asks you, "Which of my friends would you marry after I die?" > No. > "Win Win", "Lose Lose" and "Win Lose" are terms that come from a branch of > psychology called game therory. John von Neumann and Oskar Morgenstern would probably be amused if told that they were psychologists. > No. > "Win Win", "Lose Lose" and "Win Lose" are terms that come from a branch of > psychology called game therory. They reflect the possible outcomes of a two > player game. That is not true. > They are the names of the four cells of a 2X2 matrix. The two axis of the > matrix are labled "lose" "win" . That is not true. > Each axis represents the outcome for one > of the two players. That is not true. > So the upper right cell is called "win win". > The lower left cell is caled > "lose lose". As in the case of the USA & Iraq. > The upper left cell is called "win lose". The lower right cell is called > "lose win" What utter crap. The "axes" of the 2x2 matrix are strategies. Whether both players win, both players lose, what one player wins is lost by the other, or one loses and the other wins but with asymmetric payoffs is a completely different question. Please get a clue before posting again. > "No win" means something slightly different. A "No win" situation refers to > the options of a single player. It means that no matter what choice the > player makes he will lose. An example of this is when your wife asks you, > "Which of my friends would you marry after I die?" Ignorant slut. >I've heard people talking of no-win situations and win-win situations. But >is there anything like a lose-lost situation? > >thanks in advance! >Klaus Did you mean to type "lose-lost" or "lose-lose"? There's no such thing as a "lose-losT" situation, but "lose-losE" situations do exist; it's the same as a "no win". If neither party to a negotiation, dispute, confrontation or decision get what they want or get what they are happy with, it's a lose-lose situation -- they both "lose". Another type of lose-lose situation is where one person has two choices available, neither of which will make them happy. In either case, it's a semantic choice whether to call it a "no-win" or a "lose-lose"  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>I've heard people talking of no-win situations and win-win situations. But >>is there anything like a lose-lost situation? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >In either case, it's a semantic choice whether to call it a "no-win" >or a "lose-lose" win-win is somehow pluralistic in nature. no-win tends to be exclusive, even when each perspective may be in a no-win situation. lose-lose in my experience is often expressed as "everyone loses". no-win is not necessarily the same as lose-lose. If the status quo continues it may be in a situation of no loss or gain. Thank for your help! Klaus ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Ich verwende die kostenlose Version von SPAMfighter, die bei mir bis jetzt 446 Spammails entfernt hat. Für private Anwender ist SPAMfighter völlig kostenlos! Jetzt gratis testen: hier klicken. > Thank for your help! > Klaus It is unfortunate that the "help" from 'stagshine' is complete crap. Barbara Bailey's post is much better probably sufficient for you. |
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