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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006hellow and goodbye
Dear Everyone, In a dialog, someone says, "I'd say hellow and goodbye." What does he mean by that? Thanks a lot in advance. Teddie > Dear Everyone, > In a dialog, someone says, "I'd say hellow and goodbye." > What does he mean by that? > > Thanks a lot in advance. > Teddie Sorry. I was wrong. I'd like to know the meaning of "say hello and goodbye." Thanks. Teddie Teddie <tatsat@lily.sannet.ne.jp> had it: > > Dear Everyone, > > In a dialog, someone says, "I'd say hellow and goodbye." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Sorry. I was wrong. > I'd like to know the meaning of "say hello and goodbye." It might be a reference to the Latin phrase "Ave atque vale" which means something similar to "Hello and goodbye" but is usually rendered "Hail and farewell" in English. This is from a poem by Catullus: http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/ave-atque-vale/ Otherwise, it probably indicates that the person speaking has to leave very soon after arriving. But it's very difficult to guess what it means from the simple sentence on its own. Do you have any more context?  SignatureDavid ===== >Teddie <tatsat@lily.sannet.ne.jp> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >what it means from the simple sentence on its own. Do you have any >more context? Without context, it's difficult to guess meaning. I'd guess that it's a rather curt dismissal of someone. "Say hello and goodbye" would be telling them "Now that you're here, leave". SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL > Teddie <tatsat@lily.sannet.ne.jp> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Otherwise, it probably indicates that the person speaking has to > leave very soon after arriving. You say goodbye, I say hello OR I won't take me coat off - I'm not stopping SignatureJohn Dean Oxford John Dean <john-dean@fraglineone.net> had it: > I won't take me coat off - I'm not stopping You should take your coat off, or you won't feel the benefit. obAUE: is the above a regional UK utterance or does it travel? SignatureDavid ===== > John Dean <john-dean@fraglineone.net> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > David > ===== Can't speak for the international translatibility but I do know that it's true as several experiments have shown that you will indeed be colder outside if you kept your coat on inside. So, if you're in a cold/temperate place where the this phrase is unknown this may be the time to inroduce it! > > John Dean <john-dean@fraglineone.net> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cold/temperate place where the this phrase is unknown this may be the > time to inroduce it! It's a well known effect in cold weather areas. >You should take your coat off, or you won't feel the benefit. > >obAUE: is the above a regional UK utterance or does it travel? Have heard it often in Northern Ireland. It is usually as quoted with "....feel the benefit when you go out." > John Dean <john-dean@fraglineone.net> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > obAUE: is the above a regional UK utterance or does it travel? Regional utterance, I would say, universal truth. cf Alan Bennet "Doesn't Princess Margaret look starved in that frock?" SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > Teddie <tatsat@lily.sannet.ne.jp> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > what it means from the simple sentence on its own. Do you have any > more context? Many languages have a single word that means both "hello" and "goodbye", and native-English speakers play on that (we like to play with our words). I sometimes say "hail and farewell" myself. We even have some of our own: "Good evening" could mean "hello" or "goodbye", for example. |
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