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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006Why are many college graduates unable to use proper grammer?
Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and simple answers. > Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > simple answers. Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >> simple answers. > > Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? That's definately a tradition now.  SignaturejohnF "Naturally this idea has not been accepted by all--is there any idea in language research that is?" -- _Talk Talk Talk_, Jay Ingram > >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > >> simple answers. > > > > Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? > > That's definately a tradition now. Thankyou john. I'm greatful alot. >>>> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >>>> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thankyou john. I'm greatful alot. After you've reconstructed the URL (it needs a ".com" at the end) and gone to the site, it appears to be for "Radio Sandy Springs". Before going there, I thought it was advertising spam for an on-line shop selling radios and y-springs. Rediculous! SignaturejohnF "Did I ever tell you you're a ratbag? If not, consider yourself told." -- Robin Bignall, <8n91gv0kl1uqorcrdjanuk1sjp2hpce4en@4ax.com> >> >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >> >> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thankyou john. I'm greatful alot. That's definately definitely a tradition now. Thankyou Thank you john. John. I'm greatful grateful alot. a lot. As for the grammar .!! D. > > Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > > simple answers. > > Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? While the original poster answered the question himself, being unable to spell "grammar", I suggest that the question is a serious one. I believe poor grammar results the poor language skills of the student's parents and their lack of attention to their child's grammar. If a parent does not correct "between he and I" or "Him and me went" during the pre-school years, then the child is going to find grammatical English difficult, if not impossible in later life. GFH > > > Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > > > simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > grammatical > English difficult, if not impossible in later life. Or else we'll wake up one day and discover that "between he and I" and "Him and me [more likely "Me and him"] went" are grammatical. Never happen, you say? English nouns had a whole set of inflections until a few hundred years ago. Shift happens. SignatureBob Lieblich Not recommending; just reporting >>>> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >>>> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Never happen, you say? English nouns had a whole set of inflections > until a few hundred years ago. Shift happens. Robbie, you are back on my Christmas-card list. (Not that that means anything; I never send Christmas cards). > >>>> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > >>>> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > (Not that that means anything; I never send Christmas cards). Not to worry. I never read them. > > > > Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > > > > simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Or else we'll wake up one day and discover that "between he and I" and > "Him and me [more likely "Me and him"] went" are grammatical. I agree that these ungrammatical forms are common. So common that frequently I have to think for a brief moment when using "between". I have heard professional radio talk show hosts make this mistake, though I have not heard "Me and him went .." yet. GFH >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >> simple answers. > > Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? To answer a question with a question, why do you think the students of the English language participate in spelling bees? I guarantee that in Spain, there aren't any. The words in other languages are spelled just as they sound, with few exceptions. Such is not the case with English. I know that I'm, for example, a poor speller. It is something I work on constantly. I admire those who spell well. Likewise, I admire those who can rattle off the quadratic equation at the drop of a hat. For the record, I do know when to use "Bob and I" versus "Bob and me." And, I do love the English language. However, I just don't equate perfect spelling with the nuances, wordplay, and simple beauty of a perfectly worded speech, for example. SignatureYours, Dan S. Reporting to you from South Bend -The first step to beating an addiction is to admit that you believe in addictions. > >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > >> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To answer a question with a question, why do you think the students of the > English language participate in spelling bees? Fame, money, sex, since you asked. Just like everything else. > I guarantee that in Spain, there aren't any. The words in other languages > are spelled just as they sound, with few exceptions. What a yawn! > Such is not the case with English. So true. > I know that I'm, for example, a poor speller. It is > something I work on constantly. I admire those who spell well. I'll do my best to remain admirable. > Likewise, I > admire those who can rattle off the quadratic equation at the drop of a hat. The equation is simple -- ax^2 + bx + c. It's the solution that taxes the synapses. I, of course, have known both by heart since high school. I can remember almost anything if it's sufficiently useless, and it's been more than 40 years since I needed to know the solution to the quadratic equation. So of course I remember it. > For the record, I do know when to use "Bob and I" versus "Bob and me." And, > I do love the English language. However, I just don't equate perfect > spelling with the nuances, wordplay, and simple beauty of a perfectly worded > speech, for example. No, of course not. But posting a subject line implying grammatical deficiencies in others while misspelling as simple a word as "grammar" is a bit like showing up for a lecture on manners with your fly unzipped. Someone's going to point and laugh. SignatureBob Lieblich Pointer and laugher >> >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >> >> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > is a bit like showing up for a lecture on manners with your fly > unzipped. Someone's going to point and laugh. Point taken. However, it is one of those pesky -ar words that should be an -er word. SignatureYours, Dan S. Reporting to you from South Bend -The first step to beating an addiction is to admit that you believe in addictions.> > The equation is simple -- ax^2 + bx + c. That's not an equation. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email. > > The equation is simple -- ax^2 + bx + c. > > That's not an equation. The other side is zero, and I didn't want to waste everyone's time on nothing. (Okay, okay, I forgot to complete it. Sue me.) SignatureBob Lieblich And now you know wny I stay out of math threads > To answer a question with a question, why do you think the students of the > English language participate in spelling bees? > > I guarantee that in Spain, there aren't any. The words in other languages > are spelled just as they sound, with few exceptions. Such is not the case I don't see how that works for Spanish, as there are sounds that can be spelled more than one way, aren't there? For example, "c" before an "i" or "e" is the same sound as "s", isn't it, so how do you know which to pick? Why "cinco" rather than "sinco"? Also, they seem to use the "b" and "v" sounds interchangeably, so if you hear "boy", how do you know if it should be spelled "boy" or "voy"? (I'm not very far into Spanish, but I definitely hear "voy" sometimes being pronounced with the "v" sound and sometimes the "b" sound ). It is much more logical than English going the other direction. That is, given a written word, there's only one way to pronounce it, with a small number of exceptions. (Like the way the word "o" changes pronounciation when the following word starts with "o"). And even with multiple ways to spell a given spoken word, I think it will still always be easier to look up a spoken word in a Spanish dictionary--it might take a couple of tries, but I don't think there is ever a situation where you have no freaking idea where to look, as happens in English occasionally. Signature--Tim Smith >> To answer a question with a question, why do you think the students of >> the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or "e" is the same sound as "s", isn't it, so how do you know which to > pick? Why "cinco" rather than "sinco"? I'm only second year in Spanish. There are definate rules to how, say, c should sound before e as opposed to o. Before e it is /s/ and before o it is /k/. "I search" is busco but "you search (imparative)" must be changed to busque to maintain the sound. SignatureYours, Dan S. Reporting to you from South Bend -The first step to beating an addiction is to admit that you believe in addictions. > Also, they seem to use the "b" and "v" sounds interchangeably, so if you > hear "boy", how do you know if it should be spelled "boy" or "voy"? > (I'm not very far into Spanish, but I definitely hear "voy" sometimes > being pronounced with the "v" sound and sometimes the "b" sound ). I drink is bebo or /vevo/ where I live is /vivo/. Like I said, second year, your guess would probably be as good as mine. > It is much more logical than English going the other direction. That > is, given a written word, there's only one way to pronounce it, with a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ever a situation where you have no freaking idea where to look, as > happens in English occasionally. > I don't see how that works for Spanish, as there are sounds that can be > spelled more than one way, aren't there? For example, "c" before an "i" or > "e" is the same sound as "s", isn't it, so how do you know which to pick? > Why "cinco" rather than "sinco"? But those things are few compared to the spelling complexities of English. There aren't enough of them to make a spelling bee interesting. French, on the other hand... SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEW lamps for OLD for email. > >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and > >> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > spelling with the nuances, wordplay, and simple beauty of a perfectly worded > speech, for example. I thought that spelling bees were peculiar to the United States. Do other English-mangling nations have them too? LAM >> >> Check out www.radiosandysprings for today's hardest questions and >> >> simple answers. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I thought that spelling bees were peculiar to the United States. Do >other English-mangling nations have them too? I had them in junior school in the 1940s, age eight to eleven, but not after entry to the senior school. SignatureRobin Herts, England > > Check outwww.radiosandyspringsfor today's hardest questions and > > simple answers.Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? You are so right! I find that as an older person I type without always thinking or looking and have grown to rely on spell check for spelling and a calculator for math. The fact is at one time many years ago I could spell and do math without a machine. Amazing how far we've come in digression. Please accept my apology I am embarrassed. One should throw rocks at oneself before throwing at others. And, my first topic was not meant to be a spam. www.radiosandysprings.com (another mistake) does have great programming including the show Inside the Black Box on Saturday mornings. Red Radier > Why are so many people who post about grammar unable to spell it? Because the Google web site does not include spell check. Even Microsoft has spell check. GFH |
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