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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007"Owned"
"owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? > "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come > from? I hven't heard it, but there is that expression, made familiar most recently by Colin Powell--You break it you own it (or buy it). The Russians did a pretty good job breaking up the Germans. >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come >> from? > > I hven't heard it, but there is that expression, made familiar most > recently by Colin Powell--You break it you own it (or buy it). That's been appearing in stores at least since I was a kid: "You broke it, you bought it." I saw a bumper sticker the other day, depicting President Bush saying, "Iraq: I broke it, you bought it." On 31 Dec 2006, Harlan Messinger wrote >>> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." >>> Like, "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > That's been appearing in stores at least since I was a kid: "You > broke it, you bought it." Or the twee version -- "Lovely to look at/Lovely to hold/But if you break it/Consider it sold" -- which, I'm happy to say, I've not seen for a some years now.  SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > On 31 Dec 2006, Harlan Messinger wrote > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > break it/Consider it sold" -- which, I'm happy to say, I've not seen > for a some years now. Oh, yeah, that was the version I saw originally. Much less abrupt. You prefer the abrupt version. :-) On 31 Dec 2006, Harlan Messinger wrote >> On 31 Dec 2006, Harlan Messinger wrote >>> That's been appearing in stores at least since I was a kid: >>> "You broke it, you bought it." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oh, yeah, that was the version I saw originally. Much less > abrupt. You prefer the abrupt version. :-) Sure do. SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van >>> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >>> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's been appearing in stores at least since I was a kid: "You broke > it, you bought it." Yes. With a frightfully high price on the very prominent sticker! Don't see it much any longer, what with much of the china and glassware. But I am not in the stores so much with little kids. I can't believe how daring parents were, to take the little ones into such stores. > I saw a bumper sticker the other day, depicting President Bush saying, > "Iraq: I broke it, you bought it." Nice threat. > >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's been appearing in stores at least since I was a kid: "You broke > it, you bought it." The sign I'm familiar with states (somewhat vaguely) "All breakages will be paid for." Adrian (UK) >> >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >> >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The sign I'm familiar with states (somewhat vaguely) "All breakages will be >paid for." Just doesn't have the, um, bite, does it? Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * >"owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >"the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? I heard it just yesterday, and used inaccurately. The idea is that one side controls the other like a slaveowner owns his slave. It's not about defeating them, but about controlling them. The one follows the other, but that should be all that's meant. I think it's been used in sports for a decade or more, where inaccuracies aren't as important afaic. If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) > "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come > from? Allegedly from losers who amuse themselves by hacking into other people's computers on a network. Once you gain control of their computer, you can use it as if you own it. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=owned To be "pwnd" is worse than to be "owned". http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >people's computers on a network. Once you gain control of their >computer, you can use it as if you own it. I can't swear to this, but I'm sure that "We own you" was used by (physical) games players long before computers and hackers were around. It might be said by one football player to another team's player. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL > On Sun, 31 Dec:29:34 GMT, Michael DeBusk > <chinos6398@mypacks.net> wrote: > > >Allegedly from losers who amuse themselves by hacking into other > >people's computers on a network. Once you gain control of their > >computer, you can use it as if you own it. No, it was just leet for "owned" where the prpximity of the p to the o on a qwerty bpard allpwed the mistake tp becpme oppular. > I can't swear to this, but I'm sure that "We own you" was used by > (physical) games players long before computers and hackers were > around. It might be said by one football player to another team's > player. All your base are become us. An Atari space invader type of game, IIRC. http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=183 And the dawn of L33t speak. It got more popular with the dawn of texting. A phishing site posts trickery that sends lamers and unprotected newbies to websites that hold scriptting hacks or cracks rather, that alls the cracker to take command of a PC via Hijacker scripts etc () usually without the true owner realising or if they do notice a problem not able to sort it without help. Such pwned computers can be used for sending spam and ddos attacks. These things can be quite alarming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgmwm-98BE > "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come > from? OED c. To acknowledge as having supremacy, authority, or power over one; to profess, or yield, obedience or submission to (a superior, a power, etc.). 1695 Blackmore Pr. Arth. i. 55 The Prince of Darkness owns the Conquerour, And yields his Empire to a mightier Pow'r. c1709 Prior First Hymn Callimachus 99 Man owns the power of kings; and kings of Jove. 1814 Shelley Summer-evening Churchy. ii, Silence and twilight+breathe their spells+Light, sound, and motion own the potent sway. 1870 J. Ellerton Hymn, 'The day Thou gavest' v, Till all Thy creatures own Thy sway. 1874 Green Short Hist. i. §3. 23 Wessex owned his overlordship as it had owned that of Oswald. SignatureJohn Dean Oxford >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > c. To acknowledge as having supremacy, authority, or power over one; to > profess, or yield, obedience or submission to (a superior, a power, etc.). But that sense is the other way round. To "own" in the OP's sense is to _be_ supreme over someone, not acknowledge someone else's supremacy. I would not be surprised to learn that it originates in a sports metaphor (e.g., "They owned the field" or "They owned the day" transfered to "We got owned"), akin to the OED's sense 2b, viz: fig. and in extended use. To have control over or direction of (a person or thing). In Old English attested only in quot. OE; some editors have regarded ægnian in this quot. as a different word or as requiring emendation (see Dict. Old Eng. s.v. {amac}gnian for a summary of other suggestions). OE Exodus 265 {Th}æt hie lifigende leng ne moton ægnian mid yrm{edh}um Israhela cyn. 1890 Spectator 19 July 77/2 Their [sc. U.S. millionaires'] practice of ‘owning’, that is, controlling, both the professional politicians and the press. 1946 Sun (Baltimore) 8 Oct. 15/8 Charley Chaney, who has been going great guns outoftown, now is ‘owned’ by George Shappard. SignatureRoland Hutchinson Will play viola da gamba for food. NB mail to my.spamtrap [at] verizon.net is heavily filtered to remove spam. If your message looks like spam I may not see it. > > "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > > "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > spells+Light, sound, and motion own the potent sway. 1870 J. Ellerton Hymn, > 'The day Thou gavest' v, Till all Thy creatures own Thy sway. This one at least seems different -- equivalent to modern "own up to." > 1874 Green > Short Hist. i. §3. 23 Wessex owned his overlordship as it had owned that of > Oswald. On 1 Jan 2007 08:10:06 -0800, "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote in <news:1167667806.220203.248600@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> in alt.english.usage,sci.lang: >>> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >>> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come >>> from? >> OED >> c. To acknowledge as having supremacy, authority, or power over one; to >> profess, or yield, obedience or submission to (a superior, a power, etc.). >> 1695 Blackmore Pr. Arth. i. 55 The Prince of Darkness owns the >> Conquerour, And yields his Empire to a mightier Pow'r. c1709 Prior First >> Hymn Callimachus 99 Man owns the power of kings; and kings of Jove. 1814 >> Shelley Summer-evening Churchy. ii, Silence and twilight+breathe their >> spells+Light, sound, and motion own the potent sway. 1870 J. Ellerton Hymn, >> 'The day Thou gavest' v, Till all Thy creatures own Thy sway. > This one at least seems different -- equivalent to modern "own up to." No. In all of them 'owns' can be replaced by 'acknowledges' with no change in sense. [...] Brian > "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? "Owned", and the derivitive "pwned" are both current and extremely popular in computer gaming culture. I would think it most likely that a mainstream use of 'owned' was spilling back from computer gamers. Look up either term in Wikipedia. You are correct that it is a rough synonym for 'defeated', but it is usually a humiliating defeat - more like "X owned Y" == "X made Y his bitch". LAM >> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >for 'defeated', but it is usually a humiliating defeat - more like "X >owned Y" == "X made Y his bitch". To add to what LAM said here, I've not run across it being used in first person "I was owned" or "I got pwned." Every occurance I've seen has been in the second or third person: you/he got pwned. This usage, to me, adds currency to the idea that it is humilitating or at least, embarassing to be "owned". SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 08:44:17 -0600, Barbara Bailey <rabrabbjb@yahoo.com> wrote in <news:utrkp2pbchohaa9vhlrgpt4hvtamkkqg4r@4ax.com> in alt.english.usage,sci.lang: [...] > To add to what LAM said here, I've not run across it being > used in first person "I was owned" or "I got pwned." > Every occurance I've seen has been in the second or third > person: you/he got pwned. This usage, to me, adds > currency to the idea that it is humilitating or at least, > embarassing to be "owned". I'm pretty sure that I've seen a few instances along the lines of 'For the last couple of years they've owned us'. Brian >>> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, >>> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to me, adds currency to the idea that it is humilitating or at least, > embarassing to be "owned". And to continue adding, if I'm not mistaken the term truly originates with hackers and has been (relatively) recently co-opted by gamers. When a hacker gains control of somebody else's computer he/she "owns" the computer, in the sense that he/she can now alter it or files on it, install software, use it for nefarious purposes (e.g., sending spam), and even deny the actual owner access. There is considerable overlap in the populations of gamers, computer geeks, and hackers, so terminology from one group tends to spread quickly to others. Now a gamer who deals a crushing defeat to an opponents armies might claim to "own" his opponent. More broadly, an entire language has been developed from heavy substitution of letters and numbers for other letters (e.g., "phreak" for "freak" and "d00dz" for "dudes"). The language is called "l33t" or "1337", a heavily substituted contraction of the word "elite". Some of the abbreviations originate from the days of slow networks with costly connection fees, when saving a few minutes online meant saving quite a few dollars in the real world. Some of them come from numerical communication systems like one-way pagers, where "07734" can be turned upside-down to approximate "hello". More recently, two-way text communications on numerical keypads has contributed to the l33t vocabulary, as have typos resulting from fast typing in online chats and games (which, as I recall, is were the "pwn" variation of "own" originated). Needless to say, l33t can be very difficult for the uninitiated to read (and I don't claim to have much fluency with it). There's a Wikipedia article about "owned" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owned and one here about l337 in general that's pretty interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet > >>> "owned" seems to be very recent slang for "was defeated by." Like, > >>> "the nazis got owned by the Russians." Where did this idiom come from? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > originated). Needless to say, l33t can be very difficult for the > uninitiated to read (and I don't claim to have much fluency with it). |
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