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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007Questions for people born before 1950
1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in 1966? 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of Neil Simon's play in 1965? > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Trek was commonly known in Britain because of the colony and war in South Africa. Trek is the Dutch (Afrikaans) for travel, mainly through the wilderness. The word was known in Britain through the novels of Rider Haggard and John Buchan, the Boy Scout's Manual etc. A party of children setting out to walk two miles from one place to another might call it a long trek.  SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Common enough that most everyone knew what the title meant when it came along. Meaning something like: arduous journey by foot, possibly in remote or exotic places, it was most jocular in people's active vocabulary, as for example when one was sent on a series of pointless errands. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Not so as I'd notice. Unlikely friends would be an "odd pair." SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." --Voltaire [snip] > > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > > Neil Simon's play in 1965? > > Not so as I'd notice. Unlikely friends would be an "odd pair." [snip] _An Odd Couple_ was the title of a book published in the mid-1800s according to this excerpt from the MOA-Mich search engine: Title: The American gardener's assistant Author: Bridgeman, Thomas, d. 1850 Publication Info: Philadelphia,: Porter & Coates, [c1866] p. C004 POPULAR WORKS PUBLISHED BY PORTER & COATES. The International Series of Novels ( Continued.) ... AN ODD COUPLE. By Mrs. Oliphant. "....There is not a dull page in the book." PHILA: INQUIRER... [SEE:] http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=moa;cc=moa;g=moagrp;xc=1;q1 =odd%20couple;rgn=full%20text;idno=AJQ1417.0001.001;didno=AJQ1417.0001.001;view= image;seq=0518 Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego In our last episode, <1167774278.551966.163940@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, the lovely and talented tinwhistler broadcast on alt.fan.cecil-adams: > [snip] >> > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of >> > Neil Simon's play in 1965? >> >> Not so as I'd notice. Unlikely friends would be an "odd pair." > [snip] > _An Odd Couple_ was the title of a book published in the mid-1800s > according to this excerpt from the MOA-Mich search engine: > Title: The American gardener's assistant > Author: Bridgeman, Thomas, d. 1850 > Publication Info: Philadelphia,: Porter & Coates, [c1866] > p. C004 And, as I should have mentioned, in "grandmother talk" it might have easily been a "queer pair" which in grandmother talk would mean nothing more or less than "odd pair." SignatureLars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner> "Shhh! Be vewwy, vewwy quiet! I'm hunting Muswims!" - President Elmer Bush > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego YES!!! Good work! Mrs. Margaret Oliphant published "An Odd Couple" in 1876. Francis A. Miniter [snip] > Mrs. Margaret Oliphant published "An Odd Couple" in 1876. [snip] Fascinating bio of her at http://www.mrsoliphant.com/life.htm Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? It was commonplace in certain contexts. "Star Trek" sounded very amusing when it appeared. We knew about "The Great Trek"; and often used "trek" for a cross-country journey, especially if some difficulty or exertion was involved, or even for a bothersome journey across town; "pony-trekking" was already an established kind of holiday; and there was even a human-propelled camping cart called a "trek-cart". I suspect, but couldn't prove, that the word gained particular currency as a result of the Boy Scout movement, whose founder scattered his writing with language he'd picked up in South Africa. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Yes, but it often referred to drinks: "I like the odd couple". There would, of course, have been nothing striking about describing a strange pair of friends or married couple as "an odd couple". SignatureMike. >1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >1966? Trekking was something the Boers did in Sourh Africa. I'm not sure when it became a term for strenuous hiking in the Himalayas, but Bhutan, Nepal and Tibet were not real tourist magnets until late in the '60s. >2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of >Neil Simon's play in 1965? No Don (1943) Joe Gillis wrote, in <1167761540.247882.22130@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> on 2 Jan 2007 10:12:20 -0800: > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? I wouldn't say it was common but in BrE certainly well understood. I was never a Boy Scout myself but I wouldn't be surprised if they used it given their roots in the S. African experiences of Baden-Powell. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? No. SignatureNick Spalding >> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> 1966? > > I wouldn't say it was common but in BrE certainly well understood. I was > never a Boy Scout myself but I wouldn't be surprised if they used it given > their roots in the S. African experiences of Baden-Powell. My Mum, a pronunciation nut, insisted on 'BARden POle". In 1938 she shared a railway compartment with Robert Menzies, the Oz Pol, and she asked him whether he preferred "Mingis" over "Menzies", to which he replied "Just call me Bob". ffoulkes [snip] > In 1938 she > shared a railway compartment with Robert Menzies, the Oz Pol, [snip] Is Bob your uncle? Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? > > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Trek > > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > > 1966? > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Trek Yes, I know it was a word before Star Trek. I'm just wondering how familiar TV audiences of the time would have been with the term. Did people see the listings in TV Guide and ask, " 'Star Trek'?? What the hell is a trek??". >>> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>> 1966? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people see the listings in TV Guide and ask, " 'Star Trek'?? What the > hell is a trek??". It all depends on how old they were. I was quite old enough to know. SignatureSkitt I may not understand what you say, but I'll defend to your death my right to deny it. --Albert Alligator >> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > people see the listings in TV Guide and ask, " 'Star Trek'?? What the > hell is a trek??". Americans most likely did, but i doubt people in the UK had any problem with it. After all they had to change the title of a Bond film because a substantial percentage of a group polled didn't know what the meaning of the word "Revoked " was. >>> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>> > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >Americans most likely did, No, they didn't. Unless maybe they were under 10. How can you reach the notion that Americans did if you weren't here at that time? You weren't, were you? >but i doubt people in the UK had any problem with >it. After all they had to change the title of a Bond film because a >substantial percentage of a group polled didn't know what the meaning of the >word "Revoked " was. If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) >>>> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>>> > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>the >>word "Revoked " was. If 50% of the US population in 1989 did not know what Revoked meant then i think a large number would not have known what Trek meant either. >>>>> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek >>>>> > in [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > then i think a large number would not have known what Trek meant > either. Hell, "revoked" was used in card-playing by those who didn't know (or didn't use) "reneged". It referred to not following suit when that was required, and when one had a card of the proper suit in hand. That was just one of several common usages that I was aware of before I graduated from highschool in 1954. Permission to attend certain school functions might have been revoked because of poor performance or bad behavior. Many permissions or licenses could be revoked. . .ditto. (Learning permits to drive, for example, could be revoked after the learner was involved in an accident, never mind if the other party was breaking the law. A teener's entire social life could be destroyed if his driving license could not be issued "on time".) So, card players could easily know the word revoke, and be totally ignorant of the existence of "trek". But I am curious as to who, what, why, a poll was taken about "revoked" and "trek", in 1989. Or, tell me, what Bond movie was renamed in that year? And who decided to rename it? Some snobs make judgements about other people's perceptions, you know--or you would know if you have been observant about AUE participants over the years. > But I am curious as to who, what, why, a poll was taken about "revoked" > and "trek", in 1989. Or, tell me, what Bond movie was renamed in that > year? And who decided to rename it? Some snobs make judgements about > other people's perceptions, you know--or you would know if you have been > observant about AUE participants over the years. The film was finally named "Licence (License) to Kill" http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/movies/ltk.php3 Title The original title of the movie was to be "Licence Revoked", but results of a survey which showed that approximately 50% of American's did not understand the term "revoked" allegedly lead to the change. A fierce battle was fought for the title to be Americanized to "License To Kill" (with an "s"), but the British version won out. The title is referred to by M when 007 quits the secret service - "effective immediately, your licence to kill is revoked". >> But I am curious as to who, what, why, a poll was taken about >> "revoked" and "trek", in 1989. Or, tell me, what Bond movie was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/movies/ltk.php3 Yep. It says it there, all right. But as I explained, in my long experience, "revocation" and related forms are terms well embedded in US consciousness. I begin to wonder at the scope of that survey, the impartiality of the party making it, and at how the question was put. OK, so maybe I was over the line about snobs, etc, but it does seem that someone else made a hasty judgement. I am trying to recall whether I ever saw even one Bond film. I read a few of the original novels (Goldfinger, Dr. No), and enjoyed them, but tired of the character, so when the films came out, I passed. >>> But I am curious as to who, what, why, a poll was taken about "revoked" >>> and "trek", in 1989. Or, tell me, what Bond movie was renamed in that [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > so maybe I was over the line about snobs, etc, but it does seem that > someone else made a hasty judgement. The survey would have been carried out by the films distrbuters. > I am trying to recall whether I ever saw even one Bond film. I read a few > of the original novels (Goldfinger, Dr. No), and enjoyed them, but tired > of the character, so when the films came out, I passed. > The survey would have been carried out by the films distrbuters. Presumably they only surveyed young starlets. I expect the camera crews would have done better. SignatureRob Bannister >> The survey would have been carried out by the films distrbuters. > >Presumably they only surveyed young starlets. I expect the camera crews >would have done better. Be worse yet if they'd talked to film critics. Don The Grant entity posted thusly: >>> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>> > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >substantial percentage of a group polled didn't know what the meaning of the >word "Revoked " was. Well, this Canadian certainly knew the meaning of 'trek', long before the TV series appeared. In rec.arts.books Joe Gillis <FloatingInThePool@hotmail.com> wrote: >Yes, I know it was a word before Star Trek. I'm just wondering how >familiar TV audiences of the time would have been with the term. Did >people see the listings in TV Guide and ask, " 'Star Trek'?? What the >hell is a trek??". No, it was quite common. I think newspapers headlines frequently used it because it was shorter than any of the synonyms. It didn't strike anyone as odd when it appeared as a TV series title. Signaturerich clancey rhc@bahleevyoome.world.std.com "Shun those who deny we have eyes in order to see, and instead say we see because we happen to have eyes." -- Leibniz >1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >1966? Common. >2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of >Neil Simon's play in 1965? No. Mike SignatureM.J.Powell > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Not common. I think I saw it numerous times in historical readings, and knew its meaning. Can't tell how I knew its meaning unless it came up as a synonym in stories about the Oregon Trail. However, a Dutch word in that context would occur, I think, in articles written after the Voortrekker migrations, which Wikipedia puts in the 1840s and '50s. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Oh, I think I must have heard it. It just wouldn't have had the same connotation, would it? >> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> 1966? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > after the Voortrekker migrations, which Wikipedia puts in the 1840s > and '50s. Oh, I neglected to mention that I spent about five of my teen and pre-teen years in Germany, and that may have caused my knowledge of that word (der Treck). I was an avid reader of Karl May then. SignatureSkitt (in Hayward, California) http://www.geocities.com/opus731/ >>> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>> 1966? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >years in Germany, and that may have caused my knowledge of that word (der >Treck). I was an avid reader of Karl May then. I was born in 1958, so I'm not *precisely* the demographic you're looking for, but I knew "trek" before Star Trak came out. But then, I had already read National Geographic Magizine on a regular basis, and had also read some books about Roy Chapman Andrews' and his expeditions in the Gobi. I'm certain that one of those sources is where I picked up "trek." SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in that context would occur, I think, in articles written after the > Voortrekker migrations, which Wikipedia puts in the 1840s and '50s. I think "trek" wsa commonly known and used in the U.S. prior to Star Trek. I looked in my high school history book ( Bailey, The American Pageant, 1961 ) and it has a map of "THE MORMON TREK, 1846-1847". You want to know a word nobody knew - "jihad". We learned that one from DUNE. > > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > > Neil Simon's play in 1965? > > Oh, I think I must have heard it. It just wouldn't have had the same > connotation, would it? I don't think it was idiomatic, like "oddball" was. Mencken has "odd jobs," "odds and ends," and "odditorium" ( a side show, ) but no "oddball" ... odd. Well, Webster's Ninth dates "oddball" to 1945. Lew Mammel, Jr. The Lewis Mammel entity posted thusly: >> > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> > 1966? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >You want to know a word nobody knew - "jihad". We learned that one >from DUNE. I was about to say I didn't learn that one from Dune, but I may have. I read most of the sequels, and never found any of them to be as good as the first one. He should have stopped there. Have you read the one by his son Brian? _Sidney's Comet_ is hilarious. > The Lewis Mammel entity posted thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I read most of the sequels, and never found any of them to be as good > as the first one. He should have stopped there. Well, see, I was smart ... > Have you read the one by his son Brian? _Sidney's Comet_ is hilarious. Gosh no. But I did see RED PLANET MARS ( 1952 ) on TMC yesterday. I had never even heard of this one. It was quite fascinating. Google & IMDB tell me that it was based on a play ( by the screenwriters, Balderston & Hoare ) which actually ran on Broadway for 7 performances in 1932 (!) This leaves me burning with curiosity. Google also tells me that Dartmouth College Library has it, which leaves me in the position of the sea captain who has not lost his teapot, as he knows exactly where it is. Lew Mammel, Jr. > Gosh no. But I did see RED PLANET MARS ( 1952 ) on TMC yesterday. That was TCM, Turner Classic Movies. > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Before 1966 I normally associated "trek" with the Boer colonizing of South Africa: http://www.southafrica-travel.net/history/eh_gtre1.htm > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Not that I remember. charles > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? It was certainly in use, especially the noun. I doubt it was common. In fact, I don't believe it is now. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Is that really a set phrase? I vaguely recall "odd" occasionally being used to mean "queer", ie homosexual in the 50's, but if I heard "They're an odd couple" I would have thought it meant no more than what the words actually mean. SignatureRob Bannister > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Old-fashioned enough that people rarely used it (except when discussing South African history), but common enough that no ordinarily intelligent person would have to look it up. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? Not that I can recall. SignatureJohn W. Kennedy "The blind rulers of Logres Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue." -- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude" > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? > > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere > of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? "Trek" was used in my _milieu_, usually called up an image of short pants and staff. Can't say "never", but I don't remember any instances; we'd likely have said, "_There's_ a pair to draw to ..." SignatureFrank ess >> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> 1966? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"Trek" was used in my _milieu_, usually called up an image of short >pants and staff. Yes. I'm a post-1950 kind of guy, but I'm fairly sure I was aware of "pony treks" before *Star Trek* was screened in the UK. SignatureArchie Valparaiso >1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >1966? I"m born 60 years ago in 2 week -- all my life in the US -- and I certanly knew the word in the various contexts mentioned. Star Trek added nothing to the experience. >2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of >Neil Simon's play in 1965? I hadn't. I don't know from 19th century plays. If you are inclined to email me for some reason, remove NOPSAM :-) The mm entity posted thusly: >>1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >>1966? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I hadn't. I don't know from 19th century plays. Was that a rewrite, then? > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? Quite. It meant an arduous journey, often a pointless journey which is not the original meaning in Afrikaans. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? "Strange bedfellows" is the closest approximation that comes to mind. It could refer to unlikely spouses like James Carville and Mary Matalin, or to people of widely different interests in the same organization like Bobby Kennedy, a liberal Democrat and Strom Thurmond, a Dixiecrat. When Thurmond changed his party affiliation to Republican in the 1960s (joining John Tower, the only other Southern Republican in the Senate), the rest of the South followed within a decade and the Democrats were depleted of many "strange bedfellows." What motivates the question? I haven't read through the thread. ObBook: Theodore H. White, _The Making of the President, 1964_. >> 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in >> 1966? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > within a decade and the Democrats were depleted of > many "strange bedfellows." Strange that you should bring up politics in reference to "strange bedfellows". I don't know how often "strange bedfellows" was used in print before the aphorism "Politics makes strange bedfellows" became trite. But I suspect the term had other referents, as well -- spiders, fleas, snakes, and the like. Here's another strange thing (not that the variety of relationships in the Democratic party isn't strange enough): This past year, the Republicans have been boasting about the "big tent", as if they had always been one, and as if the Democrats were the kind to exclude others. Hmm. > Strange that you should bring up politics in reference to "strange > bedfellows". I don't know how often "strange bedfellows" was used > in print before the aphorism "Politics makes strange bedfellows" > became trite. But I suspect the term had other referents, as well > -- spiders, fleas, snakes, and the like. Well, there's always Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows Shakespeare, _The Tempest_, (1611) II, ii, 42 _Bartlett's_ cites "Politics makes strange bedfellows" to Charles Dudley Walker, in his 1870 _My Summer in a Garden_, although Google Books shows this to be at least 70 years too late: If that respectable name was not abused on the occasion, I can only say that politics, like misery, "bring a man acquainted with strange bedfellows!" William Gifford, _The Mæviad_, 1800 I also see it in 1824, 1851, 1856. I also see "adversity" and "necessity" credited for the state. The basic notion, as I understand it, is that it was common practice for poor travellers to rent half a bed, with one's companion being a random stranger in the same state. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Its like grasping the difference 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |between what one usually considers Palo Alto, CA 94304 |a 'difficult' problem, and what |*is* a difficult problem. The day kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com |one understands *why* counting all (650)857-7572 |the molecules in the Universe isn't |difficult...there's the leap. http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ | Tina Marie Holmboe Evan Kirshenbaum wrote, in <8xgjlhzz.fsf@hpl.hp.com> on Wed, 03 Jan 2007 17:04:32 -0800: > The basic notion, as I understand it, is that it was common practice > for poor travellers to rent half a bed, with one's companion being a > random stranger in the same state. ... same town even. SignatureNick Spalding [concerning "strange bedfellows"] [...] > The basic notion, as I understand it, is that it was common practice > for poor travellers to rent half a bed, with one's companion being a > random stranger in the same state. Has anyone yet mentioned "Moby-Dick", in which the narrator "Ishmael" is allotted a bed to share with Queequeg? Strange bedfellows indeed. Alan Jones >[concerning "strange bedfellows"] >[...] [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Has anyone yet mentioned "Moby-Dick", in which the narrator "Ishmael" is >allotted a bed to share with Queequeg? Strange bedfellows indeed. Yet how different the story would have been if Ish had wound up in the sack with Peleg's daughter. I'd like to have seen Rockwell Kent's illustration for THAT chapter! Don > >[concerning "strange bedfellows"] > >[...] [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yet how different the story would have been if Ish had wound up in the > sack with Peleg's daughter. Yeah, in that case, no sex! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! > [concerning "strange bedfellows"] > [...] [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Alan Jones An 1876 novel by Scottish author Mrs Oliphant is entitled "An Odd Couple" - perhaps Mr Simon was not as original as might be thought after all? I was born in 1949... > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? If you wanted to talk about South Africa you would know the word, so anybody with a British Commonwealth education would have met with it. I think the Boy Scouts used it (I wasn't ever one of them) and since they were probably the inspiration for the crew of the Enterprise, that might have been where the Star Trek screenwriters got it. Or this usage, Boy Scouting with hairier legs: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,827610-2,00.html : When New Zealand's Sir Edmund Hillary, co-conqueror of Mount Everest, : quests for the Abominable Snowman in the high Himalaya next winter, : there is an outside chance that he will bump into his wife: Lady : Hillary announced last week that she and a female friend will take a : mountain stroll on their own this February, trek some 170 miles from : Katmandu to Thyangboche over some rugged territory. (Time's prose style was blue serge coated with slug slime back then, as now). > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere > of Neil Simon's play in 1965? No. Nor have I ever heard anybody use it since. Hardly anybody outside the US could ever have known who Neil Simon is/was, and his cultural influence beyond the circulation area of the New Yorker must be close to zero. I've never read, heard or seen any of his work (or was he the scriptwriter for "The Graduate"? - I saw that but remember f.ck-all of it). ============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ============== Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760 <http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975 stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, & Mac logic fonts | mob 07800 739 557 > 1. How common was the word "trek" before the debut of Star Trek in > 1966? I grew up in Ohio in the 1950's and we knew that a trek was a long, difficult walk. > 2. Did you ever hear the phrase "odd couple" prior to the premiere of > Neil Simon's play in 1965? No. > I grew up in Ohio in the 1950's and we knew that a trek was a long, > difficult walk. New Jersey in the 1950s. I never watched "Star Trek" but knew about trekking from an interest in doing trekking in Nepal. Ilene B |
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