"..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense as
"recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a few
days, a few weeks, or a few months.
**My neighbor knew the late Dr. Scott when he was in medical school.**
If Dr. Scott had died _two_ years ago, would it be incorrect or
misleading to use "late" in the above sentence?
CH
Tony Cooper - 06 Jan 2007 07:03 GMT
>"..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense as
>"recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a few
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>If Dr. Scott had died _two_ years ago, would it be incorrect or
>misleading to use "late" in the above sentence?
No. The "late" Dr Scott refers to a dead person. If the neighbor
remembers Dr Scott, the death was recent enough for use of the word.

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Francis Cameron - 06 Jan 2007 09:03 GMT
>"..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense as
>"recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a few
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>CH
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Neither incorrect nor misleading.
Current UK English usage interprets "the late Dr Scott" as conveying the
information that Dr Scott is dead. It may imply he died within living
memory. It is not used of historical figures. One would not normally
refer to "the late Queen Anne".
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Phil Carmody - 06 Jan 2007 14:21 GMT
> >"..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense as
> >"recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a few
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> living memory. It is not used of historical figures. One would not
> normally refer to "the late Queen Anne".
However, one might say that Queen Anne was distraught upon hearing
of her late father's fate, or suchlike. Shift the frame of reference.
Phil

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John Dean - 06 Jan 2007 15:00 GMT
> "..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense
> as "recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> If Dr. Scott had died _two_ years ago, would it be incorrect or
> misleading to use "late" in the above sentence?
Judgement call. I don't think you can fix a time frame. "late" suggests
"recent" to many but not to all. And, anyway "recent" is a moveable feast. I
don't often use the term myself, but if someone spoke to me of "your late
father" I wouldn't think it strange even though Dad died over 40 years ago.
And "late" is, of course, used in other ways - of employment, employers and
stuff.
And it can be used in a semi-jokey way, too. People speak of WW2 and even
the American Civil War as "the late unpleasantness."
So, anyhoo, I certainly wouldn't call it incorrect in your example and I
don't think it misleading. If there seems to be a risk of that, amplify.
I do not love thee Doctor Scott
The reason why I wot not what
But sense I got and know what's what
I do not love thee Doctor Scott
Me: You're late!
Dr Scott: I got here as fast as I could. I had to get out of the coffin
first.

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Weatherlawyer - 07 Jan 2007 18:54 GMT
> > "..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense
> > as "recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > If Dr. Scott had died _two_ years ago, would it be incorrect or
> > misleading to use "late" in the above sentence?
Not so. It is a formal politeness to inform the person you are speaking
to about which owner of the title one is referring to. When a man dies
his hereditary title normally gets taken by the oldest son or as in the
above case, a living Dr Scott. If one is referring to the dead version
one uses the term for the deceased.
> And it can be used in a semi-jokey way, too. People speak of WW2 and even
> the American Civil War as "the late unpleasantness."
But this informal manner of speech relies on the context or the
supposition that the one to whom one is talking is perfectly aware
which unpleasantness is being discussed.
It is quite obviously one of the least recent of a long list of recent
unpleasantnesses.
AnnandaleFrank@aol.com - 07 Jan 2007 17:41 GMT
> "..the late Dr. Scott": Most dictionaries define "late" in this sense as
> "recently deceased." "Recently" here probably means a few hours, a few
> days, a few weeks, or a few months.
I let context determine my use of the term "late" because I find
"recently deceased" pretty vague. Does the live - dead status add
necessary information to what I'm writing? If I'm writing about a
business founded 50 years ago by Sally Smith and her late husband, John
if the business is still in the hands of Sally Smith.
If the business was founded 50 years ago by John Smith and is now in
the hands of others, I might forego the tern late for John Smith unless
the reason it's passed into the hands of others is John Smith's
passing.
I don't use late to reference a person whose death can reasonable be
presumed to be common knowledge. Although I did hear a radio announcer
refer to the late American President Franklin Roosevelt LAST year, I
might refer to the late American President Gerald Ford but only for a
month or so. As one poster said, never with historical characters -
although I'd love to refer to Adam as "the late begatter of human
kind!"
BTW, those attuned to American Pop Culture know that late ia always
paired with great when referencing dead entertainers - the late-great
James Brown, the late-great Jimi Hendrix, the late-great Buddy Holly,
etc, etc, etc - NO ONE says the late-great Elvis Presley PROVING
conclusively that Elvis lives!
Regards
Annandale Frank