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Michael Westphal - 10 Jan 2007 19:49 GMT
Hello folks,

What is the difference between (if there is a distinction at all)

Please let her bring me the layouts
Please make her bring me the layouts
Please have her bring me the layouts?

Thanks for your help!

Michael
Barbara Bailey - 10 Jan 2007 20:40 GMT
>Hello folks,
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>Michael

To my ear the differences are mostly in tone, not content.

The tone of "Please let her bring me the layouts," is that the person
being spoken to has some level of control over who will deliver the
layouts, whether the layouts will be delivered at all, or what person
they will be delivered to. The speaker is requesting a particular
outcome: that -she- bring  them, that they be brought (as opposed to
sent, perhaps, or picked up,) or that they be brought -to [me]-
(perhaps as opposed to -to Joe- or -to the receptionist-.)  It's a
request for compliance from a position of supplication.

A context where I would expect to hear this usage is one where who
delivers the layouts is important; "I need to go over the presentation
with Sheila. Please have her bring me the layouts."

"Please make her bring me the layouts," on the other hand, is a
request for enforcement from a position of entitlement. The tone is
that if the person addressed does not compel her to "bring me the
layouts" they will not be brought.  Again, the compulsion could be to
-bring- them at all, or to bring them -to [me]-.

A common usage: "I need that account that Vickie's been working on,
and she's not returning my calls. Please make her bring me the
layouts."

"Please have her bring me the layouts," is neutral in tone for the
most part, although it does still cary the implication that [her] is
someone who is subordinate to the person addressed.

This is the one that would be most commonly used when the statement is
made to a person who is subordinate to both the speaker and [her], as
would happen in a partnership with one partner asking a secretary to
pass the request on to a junior partner or associate. "Sarah, would
you please call Mrs. Williams about the Lawry account and have her
bring me the layouts?"  

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Michael Westphal - 10 Jan 2007 20:53 GMT
Hello Barbara,

thank you for your help!

so in a nutshell:

>>Please let her bring me the layouts

is a more polite tone

>>Please make her bring me the layouts

is more command tone

>>Please have her bring me the layouts?

is neutral tone

Is this correct?

best regards,

Michael
Barbara Bailey - 10 Jan 2007 21:43 GMT
>Hello Barbara,
>
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>is a more polite tone

To me it's more "supplication" than polite They're all polite to a
degree. This one is asking for a favor -- let=allow.

>>>Please make her bring me the layouts
>
>is more command tone

Yes. Compel her to do this for me. I would only expect to hear this
used in a situation where "her" was somehow being difficult.

>>>Please have her bring me the layouts?
>
>is neutral tone

Yes.

Another way to look at it is what direction in a heirarchy each would
move. In all cases, you have a person of one status in the heirarchy
(the asker) making a request of a second person in the heirarchy (the
person addressed) concerning the actions of a third person in the
heirarchy ("her").

In the first the asker is lower in rank that the person addressed, and
"her" could be either higher or lower than the asker, but is lower
than the person addressed. The movement through the heirarchy is up
then down.

In the second, the asker and the person addressed are usually close to
the same rank, but "her" is lower. The movement is lateral then down.

In the third, the asker is high, and the person addressed is lower,
but "her" is higher than the person adressed. So it's moving down then
up the hierarchy.

>Is this correct?
>
>best regards,
>
>Michael

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Adrian Bailey - 11 Jan 2007 00:19 GMT
> What is the difference between (if there is a distinction at all)
>
> Please let her bring me the layouts
= allow

> Please make her bring me the layouts
= force

> Please have her bring me the layouts
= assign

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