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I am writing this, am I not?

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MicroTech - 21 Jul 2007 11:05 GMT
I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
I wonder how this abhorrence can be called "proper English" -- surely,
the proper form should be "am I not" rather than "are not I" (which is
what "aren't I" is short for)? Or has the English language become so
hopelessly bastardized that anything goes nowadays?

Henry Norman
georgeh@ankerstein.org - 21 Jul 2007 13:52 GMT
> I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
> construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
> I wonder how this abhorrence can be called "proper English" -- surely,
> the proper form should be "am I not" rather than "are not I" (which is
> what "aren't I" is short for)? Or has the English language become so
> hopelessly bastardized that anything goes nowadays?

Yes, "am I not" is correct, but almost no one says it.  One is more
likely
to hear "ain't I" than "am I not".

All languages are "hopelessly bastardized".  That is the way that
languages
evolve.

GFH
John Dean - 21 Jul 2007 15:38 GMT
> I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
> construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
> I wonder how this abhorrence can be called "proper English" -- surely,
> the proper form should be "am I not" rather than "are not I" (which is
> what "aren't I" is short for)? Or has the English language become so
> hopelessly bastardized that anything goes nowadays?

You should read Burchfield on the subject. Some theorize that "aren't I" is
the rhotic spelling of "an't I" where "am not" behaves a little like "can
not" and "shall not" when abbreviated - losing the last letter of the verb
and changing the length of the 'a'.
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Bill McCray - 21 Jul 2007 15:47 GMT
> I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
> construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
> I wonder how this abhorrence can be called "proper English" -- surely,
> the proper form should be "am I not" rather than "are not I" (which is
> what "aren't I" is short for)? Or has the English language become so
> hopelessly bastardized that anything goes nowadays?

How would you contract it?  "Amn't I"?  Contractions don't always make
sense.  If they did, we wouldn't have "won't" as a contraction of
"will not".  It would be "win't" or "willn't".

Bill

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Richard Yates - 21 Jul 2007 16:42 GMT
>Or has the English language become so
> hopelessly bastardized....

Of course. That's what languages are, always have been, and always will be.

Richard Yates
The Grammer Genious - 22 Jul 2007 00:02 GMT
> >Or has the English language become so
>> hopelessly bastardized....
>
> Of course. That's what languages are, always have been, and always will
> be.

Except Klingon
Richard Yates - 22 Jul 2007 00:42 GMT
>> >Or has the English language become so
>>> hopelessly bastardized....
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Except Klingon

yIDoghQo' Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam

(google it)

Richard Yates
Farhad - 22 Jul 2007 16:53 GMT
> I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
> construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
> I wonder how this abhorrence can be called "proper English" -- surely,
> the proper form should be "am I not" rather than "are not I" (which is
> what "aren't I" is short for)? Or has the English language become so
> hopelessly bastardized that anything goes nowadays?

Language is tool for people to communicate with one another. It's a
social phenomenon. There are lots of utternaces made by people that
break the rules of prescriptive grammars. It's so nonsensical to
disregard the social aspect of language while coming up with
grammatical rules. A grammar of certain language is a description of
what the native speakers of that  language say rather than why an
ideal native speaker should say.

Farhad
Gary Eickmeier - 31 Jul 2007 00:47 GMT
>>I often hear (both British and USAmerican) English speakers use the
>>construction "aren't I", as in "I'm writing this post, aren't I?", and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> what the native speakers of that  language say rather than why an
> ideal native speaker should say.

OK, but what is the correct answer to "Am I not"?

Perhaps I should give an example to make my question more clear. Suppose
I wanted to know if I were brilliant. I would ask, "I am really smart,
am I not?"

Now, if you answer in the affirmative, "Yes," you are saying "Yes you
are not." If you answer in the negative, you are saying "No you are not
not." But it is usually taken the other way around.

Fantastic language.

GAry Eickmeier
 
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