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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004Warm/warm up
Hello: Are "warm/warm up" interchangeable in the following? ------ Osmond stood before the chimney, leaning back with his hands behind him; he had one foot up and was WARMING the sole. [Henry James, Portrait of a Lady, Ch. 37] ------ They seem to be, at least today (as opposed to 1881), at least per: http://dictionary.cambridge.org warm up (sth/sb) or warm (sth/sb) up: to become warmer, or to make something or someone warmer. Thank you, Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > warm up (sth/sb) or warm (sth/sb) up: > to become warmer, or to make something or someone warmer. I regard 'warm up' as informal and colloquial. I say it all the time, but I probably wouldn't use it in formal writing, and I certainly wouldn't expect to see it in Henry James. Maybe in Mark Twain. Larry Trask larryt@sussex.ac.uk > > ------ > > Osmond stood before the chimney, leaning back with his hands behind him; [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > but I probably wouldn't use it in formal writing, and I certainly > wouldn't expect to see it in Henry James. Maybe in Mark Twain. Thank you very much. Marius Hancu In alt.english.usage on Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:56:16 -0500 Marius Hancu <DO_NOT_USE@videotron.ca> posted: >Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >warm up (sth/sb) or warm (sth/sb) up: >to become warmer, or to make something or someone warmer. "Up" is especially popular when there is no direct object. "I want to warm up". If an American doesn't say "up" he has to say "I want to warm myself". I might also warm up my food or warm up my car, but I would be less likely to warm up the sole of my foot. I"m not quite sure what the pattern is. Maybe the first paragraph gives one rule, and in the second paragraph is a separate rule that sentient things don't use "up" and inanimate things do. ?? Plus the informality thing that Larry mentions. I'm not sure they're ever perfectly interchangeable, but people will know what you mean either way. >Thank you, >Marius Hancu s/ meirman If you are emailing me please say if you are posting the same response. Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years Indianapolis, 7 years Chicago, 6 years Brooklyn NY 12 years Baltimore 20 years > In alt.english.usage on Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:56:16 -0500 Marius Hancu > <DO_NOT_USE@videotron.ca> posted: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > gives one rule, and in the second paragraph is a separate rule that > sentient things don't use "up" and inanimate things do. ?? I would warm up (myself) with some sparring, prior to a fight; with some exercises, prior to a round of golf; with a stationary bike, prior to weight lifting; and stick my feet on my wife, in bed, to warm (or warm up) my toes. I may even play a 'warm up' round of golf, but never a warm round of golf, well, not in eastern Canada, in the winter :) As to inanimate objects, I would warm my shoes in front of the fire, before going out into the blizzard (yes, it's snowing again), but I would warm up the soldering iron, before doing any soldering. Mind you, if it wasn't an electric soldering iron, I'd probably have to warm it in the fire, like we did years ago. In alt.english.usage on Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:18:44 -0500 "Alan Illeman" <illemann@surfbest.net> posted: >> In alt.english.usage on Sat, 03 Jan 2004 22:56:16 -0500 Marius Hancu >> <DO_NOT_USE@videotron.ca> posted: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >soldering iron, before doing any soldering. Mind you, if it wasn't an electric >soldering iron, I'd probably have to warm it in the fire, like we did years ago. Well it is complicated, but if not the others (not sure) you basically agree with my first point with your last point. The electric soldering iron warms itself up (I talked about cases with no direct object, but I could also include cases with reflexive direct objects). However the non-reflexive direct object iron (or subject of a passive verb iron) has to be warmed in the fire (no "up"). s/ meirman If you are emailing me please say if you are posting the same response. Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years Indianapolis, 7 years Chicago, 6 years Brooklyn NY 12 years Baltimore 20 years > In alt.english.usage on Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:18:44 -0500 "Alan Illeman" > <illemann@surfbest.net> posted: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > However the non-reflexive direct object iron (or subject of a passive > verb iron) has to be warmed in the fire (no "up"). Actually, I made a mistake about that. Warming an iron in the fire is never enough. You have to heat it (or heat it up) in the fire. I wish to categorically state, once and for all, that I've never owned a 'non-reflexive direct object soldering iron', just in case the union is listening - you can't be to careful, these days :) In alt.english.usage on Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:42:26 -0500 "Alan Illeman" <illemann@surfbest.net> posted: >> In alt.english.usage on Tue, 6 Jan 2004 20:18:44 -0500 "Alan Illeman" >> <illemann@surfbest.net> posted: [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >'non-reflexive direct object soldering iron', just in case the union is >listening - you can't be to careful, these days :) If you think that includes a phrase, try "K9 was written to fill the gap in the Windows freeware statistics-based spam email filtering software market." OK theirs is still more traditional than mine, but theirs is longer too. s/ meirman If you are emailing me please say if you are posting the same response. Born west of Pittsburgh Pa. 10 years Indianapolis, 7 years Chicago, 6 years Brooklyn NY 12 years Baltimore 20 years |
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