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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004How does a Favre turn into a Farve?
The same way a colonel turns into a kernal? It really doesn't. The name is French. The way it is said is "FAV RA" and it soon became Farve..... Bizarre, just one of those words that couldn't be pronounced correctly by the English speaking world. > The same way a colonel turns into a kernal? Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an anglophone to get. Adrian > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an > anglophone to get. Does it have any relation to "LaFevre?" (Pron. Leh-Fave') That's a pretty common name, yet one whose pronunciation you'd never grasp from the spelling. About as bizarre as getting Wuh'-stuhr from Worcester... > > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > About as bizarre as getting Wuh'-stuhr from Worcester... Hey pal, that's Wuhstuh! I was born there in 1956, and lived there until 1971. Aaron Hirshberg > > > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > > > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Aaron Hirshberg Yep. And Woburn is pronounced Wooben. Peabody is Peabiddy. And Medford is Meffa. Eva been ta Ath Hole? ;) > > Craig Koller <cwkoller@STOPSPAMmac.com> wrote in message > news:<040120042241559656%cwkoller@STOPSPAMmac.com>... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Yep. And Woburn is pronounced Wooben. Peabody is Peabiddy. And Medford > is Meffa. Eva been ta Ath Hole? ;) Ath Hole - Athol Faariv - Fall River Aaron Harrisberg > Does it have any relation to "LaFevre?" (Pron. Leh-Fave') That's a > pretty common name, yet one whose pronunciation you'd never grasp from > the spelling. I thought LaFevre was pronounced "LaFever" with a short "e" sound for the first "e." > About as bizarre as getting Wuh'-stuhr from Worcester... I think it's more Woo'stuhr, and I never could figure that one out either. -- Cliff > > About as bizarre as getting Wuh'-stuhr from Worcester... > > I think it's more Woo'stuhr, and I never could figure that one > out either. It's called evolution. Adrian Once upon a 1/4/04 10:01 PM, in the land of 647Kb.4728$K41.1193@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk, the very good"Adrian Bailey" from <dadge@hotmail.com> wrote: > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an > anglophone to get. Are you saying that metathesis (switching the "r" and the "v") has occurred, or is it apocophony (simply dropping the "r" altogether--jn which case the spelling "farve" is misleading, for what would more clearly be indicated by "fahv"). One never knows with you Brits, using "ar" to represent the first vowel of "father" as you do. To me "farve" means /farv/ (not /fav/). Perhaps "farriv" is about as close as I'd expect a nonrhotic to get. Saying that the pronunciation goes from "favre" to "farve" is especially confusing. Look, we Americans don't pronounce the "l" in "talk" or "walk", but we don't go around trying to indicate the pronunciation of "father" by spelling it "falther". That's what using "ar" to mean "ah" seems like to us, you know. On 05 Jan 2004, Carmen L. Abruzzi wrote > Once upon a 1/4/04 10:01 PM, in the land of > 647Kb.4728$K41.1193@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk, the very > >> Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from >> the correct French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as >> I'd expect an anglophone to get. -snip- > Look, we Americans don't pronounce the "l" in "talk" or "walk", > but we don't go around trying to indicate the pronunciation of > "father" by spelling it "falther". That's what using "ar" to mean > "ah" seems like to us, you know. I agree entirely: as a rhotic type, the BrEng convention for the exaggerated/soul-music pronunciation of "love" (what I'd write as "luuuhve") looks like an intentionally-perverse mistranscription: lurve. ("LuRRRve"? NOBODY says that with an "r" in it.)  SignatureCheers, Harvey Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years; Southern England for the past 21 years. (for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs) > Once upon a 1/4/04 10:01 PM, in the land of > 647Kb.4728$K41.1193@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk, the very good"Adrian [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > by spelling it "falther". That's what using "ar" to mean "ah" seems > like to us, you know. Technically since it's a French-Cajun name, in French it would be pronounced fahv-ruh, with that tricky roll to the R and the last syllable kind of swallowed. But the man likes it pronounced, "Farve" - I say any person has a right to be called what they choose. SignatureDave Zero "And I don't care about making an a.s out of myself because most people already realize I am one." - Dr. Kary B. Mullis "I criticize by creation" - Cicero "I'm not here to make people happy. I prefer to piss people off." - Liam Gallagher > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an > anglophone to get. > > Adrian The quarterback of the Green Bay Packers (US Football) is named Brett Favre. The sportscasters pronounce it Fay'-b&r. I don't know how he pronounces it. > > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Brett Favre. The sportscasters pronounce it Fay'-b&r. I don't > know how he pronounces it. Every time I've heard anyone pronounce it, it's been farv. Including the sportscasters -- the few times I've watched football. Cece > > > Given that it's a French name, "farve" isn't that far away from the correct > > > French pronunciation (faa-vr). It's about as close as I'd expect an [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Every time I've heard anyone pronounce it, it's been farv. Including > the sportscasters -- the few times I've watched football. That's been my experience, as well. Back in the '60s I had a student with the surname Faber. I grew up knowing the pencil as Eberhardt-Faber, and pronounced his name as "fay ber", and was promptly corrected. He knew his name as "far ber". That is not typical Wisconsin treatment of that spelling. We normally say "fay ber" or "fah ber". I never did find out how his family came by that pronunciation. >> Bill Schnakenberg <willshak@frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:<34fKb.34959$te.33765@news01.roc.ny>... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > normally say "fay ber" or "fah ber". I never did find out how his > family came by that pronunciation. I knew someone named Lefevre who pronounced her name luh-fever. m. > I knew someone named Lefevre who pronounced her name luh-fever. My paternal grandmother had relatives of that name in the Channel Islands; they apparently pronounced it that way as well. SignatureOdysseus > > I knew someone named Lefevre who pronounced her name luh-fever. I knew a Wendy Lefevre who also pronounced it luh-fever. > My paternal grandmother had relatives of that name in the Channel > Islands; they apparently pronounced it that way as well. > Back in the '60s I had a student with the surname Faber. I grew up knowing > the pencil as Eberhardt-Faber, and pronounced his name as "fay ber", and was > promptly corrected. He knew his name as "far ber". That is not typical > Wisconsin treatment of that spelling. We normally say "fay ber" or "fah > ber". I never did find out how his family came by that pronunciation. "Faber" is a German name, and Germans pronounce it c."faa-berr". Adrian > The same way a colonel turns into a kernal? Is this in reference to "Farve," the pet name the Mitford sisters gave their father? I think it's Farve because saying Fav-re in the U.S. makes ya' sound like a big poof. > The same way a colonel turns into a kernal? Anybody remember Phil Bengtson? How many pronounced his name as spelled? And has anyone ever pronounced Hanifan as anything other than "Hanafin"? For extra credit, please explain the pronunciation of "Laveranues." SignatureBob Lieblich Please explain the pronunciation of "Lieblich" If you don't know the explanation at your age.... Signaturewrmst rgrds Robin Bignall Quiet part of Hertfordshire England |
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