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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2004Canuck Lesbians Putting On The Style
Source: www.ananova.com > Two 12-year-old girls have been "encouraged" to leave their school by the > headteacher after they were caught charging boys money for a public kissing > session in the school cafeteria.... The Canadian Grade 7 schoolgirls charged > boys £2.10 to watch the lunch-hour lesbian-style show late last year. Why "lesbian-*style*"? In our last episode, <copeSP-FC998C.10375509012004@mail.inter.net>, the lovely and talented MC broadcast on alt.usage.english: > Source: www.ananova.com >> Two 12-year-old girls have been "encouraged" to leave their school by the >> headteacher after they were caught charging boys money for a public kissing >> session in the school cafeteria.... The Canadian Grade 7 schoolgirls charged >> boys £2.10 to watch the lunch-hour lesbian-style show late last year. > Why "lesbian-*style*"? They were wearing flannel shirts and hiking boots.  SignatureLars Eighner -finger for geek code- eighner@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/ Keep a diary and one day it'll keep you. --Mae West >Source: www.ananova.com > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Why "lesbian-*style*"? They probably could have done better if they had charged Canadian dollars rather than some odd amount of British pounds. And what's this "headteacher" business? Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Signature"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat spake thus: > >Source: www.ananova.com > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > dollars rather than some odd amount of British pounds. And what's this > "headteacher" business? Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head teacher in a school in the UK. Used to be headmaster or headmistress. It saves having to change the plaque on the door when the position is filled by a person of the opposite sex. At my (large, mixed, grammar) school, we had a Headmaster (person in charge) and a Head Mistress (not headmistress), who was the most senior woman teacher, able to deal with all those women's problems like crying and falling out with your friends. SignatureDavid ===== > Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head > teacher in a school in the UK. Used to be headmaster or The "principal" in the U.S. << [David] Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head teacher in a school in the UK. Used to be headmaster or headmistress. It saves having to change the plaque on the door when the position is filled by a person of the opposite sex. At my (large, mixed, grammar) school, we had a Headmaster (person in charge) and a Head Mistress (not headmistress), who was the most senior woman teacher, able to deal with all those women's problems like crying and falling out with your friends. [end quote] >> The US term is "Principal" and that was the entire name when I was in school. Now I am thinking that at some point it must have been short for "Principal Teacher" and I am wondering when the short form became standard. I see that "Principal Teacher" is still used in some contexts, such as dance schools or religious schools. -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- subthread of: Canuck Lesbians Putting On The Style > << [David] > Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I see that "Principal Teacher" is still used in some contexts, > such as dance schools or religious schools. You may be right, but 'Principal' has been used for some centuries as a stand-alone noun for a Chief of some kind or Head of an Institution. The term is used over here - Oxford Colleges generally have Principals (and often principles arf) as do some Cambridge Colleges. -- John Dean Oxford De-frag to reply >> << [David] >> Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >term is used over here - Oxford Colleges generally have Principals (and >often principles arf) as do some Cambridge Colleges. Not "generally". I make it ten Principals, eight Wardens, eight Masters, five Presidents, two Rectors, two Provosts and one Dean. I have always found the diversity rather charming. Cambridge, less interestingly, has almost all Masters, plus three Principals, two Presidents, one Provost and one Mistress. Collectively, they are "Heads of Houses" at both places. The oldest college to have a Principal seesm to be Brasenose (1509). SignatureDon Aitken Mail to the addresses given in the headers is no longer being read. To mail me, substitute "clara.co.uk" for "freeuk.com". > >> << [David] > >> Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Not "generally".[...] The oldest college to have a > Principal seesm to be Brasenose (1509). I think "principal" has been a noun for a long time, and not only in education. Consider, for example, the parties to a duel: you have two principals with their attendant seconds. (Did not somebody quite recently point us to the Web copy of the official rules for duelling, established by a group of Irish gentlemen?) (I imagine that Argentina has now cancelled its law that duelling was permitted, provided both parties were registered blood-donors.) Mike. In the US the "principal" is the head of a "public" school, i.e., what in the UK would be called a "maintained" school, if I understand correctly. I've heard that the head of the University of Aberistwyth in Wales is the "principal" of the university. In the US "headmaster" is usually used only in private schools. Mike Hardy > In the US the "principal" is the head of a "public" school, >i.e., what in the UK would be called a "maintained" school, if >I understand correctly. I've heard that the head of the University >of Aberistwyth in Wales is the "principal" of the university. According to the website: "Vice-Chancellor and Principal". I don't know how many UK university heads have 'double-barrelled titles' but until a few years ago I worked at Queen's University, Belfast, where the head man is "President and Vice-Chancellor". If I remember correctly that refers to his presidency of the Academic Council. SignaturePeter Duncanson UK (posting from a.e.u) rcpb1_maurer@yahoo.com spake thus: > << [David] > Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I see that "Principal Teacher" is still used in some contexts, > such as dance schools or religious schools. A UK Head Teacher is always a qualified and experienced teacher who has risen through the ranks, just like a Chief Constable (did you know that all UK police officers start at the lowest level for at least a couple of years and have to work their way up?). I suspect that a US school principal could be a non-teaching administrator? SignatureDavid ===== > A UK Head Teacher is always a qualified and experienced teacher who > has risen through the ranks, just like a Chief Constable (did you > know that all UK police officers start at the lowest level for at > least a couple of years and have to work their way up?). I suspect > that a US school principal could be a non-teaching administrator? The US school principals I have known have all been former classroom teachers. No doubt there may be some who were not, but they would be the exception. SignatureFrances Kemmish Production Manager East Coast Youth Ballet www.byramartscenter.com << [David] A UK Head Teacher is always a qualified and experienced teacher who has risen through the ranks, just like a Chief Constable (did you know that all UK police officers start at the lowest level for at least a couple of years and have to work their way up?). I suspect that a US school principal could be a non-teaching administrator? [end quote] >> << [Frances Kemmish] The US school principals I have known have all been former classroom teachers. No doubt there may be some who were not, but they would be the exception. [end quote] >> Yes, I would think so too. I thought some actual teachers would let us know if it is a requirement or not. In the normal sized schools the principal is a full-time administrator, in big schools the principal can be assisted by assistant principals. In small schools it can happen that the principal teaches classes. Indeed, I was just reading about a grammar school where in 1947 the principal taught a combined 7th and 8th grade class. As for police, I think that in all of our police systems the officers all start at the bottom. You might be remembering discussions about the county sheriff, who is often elected. Sometimes a police commissioner is appointed. But these are only at the top, the rest work their way up. -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ><< [David] >A UK Head Teacher is always a qualified and experienced teacher who [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >police commissioner is appointed. But these are only at the top, >the rest work their way up. The only ranks I have heard of in the US police forces are Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant and Captain. Are there any more? Even in large forces? Mike SignatureM.J.Powell << [M.J.Powell] The only ranks I have heard of in the US police forces are Officer, Sergeant, Lieutenant and Captain. Are there any more? Even in large forces? [end quote] >> And of course the Chief of Police. Once you get away from those, there seem to be at least three different sets of ranks used. Small cities may not need more ranks. New York City probably has the biggest police force. They seem to call the top cop Chief of Department rather than Chief of Police. Here is a blurb: Chief of Department Joseph J. Esposito became the 49th Chief to lead the New York City Police Department on August 25th, 2000. A native and life-long resident of Brooklyn, Chief Esposito entered the New York City Police Department at 18 years of age in August of 1968 as a Police Trainee. ("Police Trainee" is a title that no longer exists in the New York City Police Department; it was a position for persons interested in becoming police officers who had not yet attained the then-required age of 21). In April of 1971, having reached the required age, Joseph Esposito was appointed a Patrolman, and began his career on patrol in the 77th Precinct in Brooklyn. He was promoted to Detective in May 1983, Sergeant in September 1983, Lieutenant in February in 1986, Captain in June 1989, Deputy Inspector in August 1993, Inspector in August 1994, Deputy Chief in September 1996, and Assistant Chief in December 1997. [1] www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/brass/chfdept.html -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ><< [M.J.Powell] >The only ranks I have heard of in the US police forces are Officer, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > August 1993, Inspector in August 1994, Deputy Chief in September 1996, > and Assistant Chief in December 1997. Thanks, I didn't know of the ranks above Captain. Mike SignatureM.J.Powell > New York City probably has the biggest police force. It does. The no-longer-independent Transit Police alone are the Sixth Largest Municipal Police Force in America. > They seem to call the top cop Chief of Department > rather than Chief of Police. The history seems roughly to have been as follows: Political overseer Highest-ranking uniformed cop Years ------------------------------------------------------------- Chief of Police 1845-1873 Board of Police Superintendent 1873-1886 Board of Police Chief of Police 1886-1901 Commissioners Police Commissioner Chief Inspector 1901-1973 " Chief of Operations 1973-1985 " Chief of Department 1985-Present Those last few changes in title seem to have been nothing more than that. >The US term is "Principal" and that was the entire name >when I was in school. Now I am thinking that at some point >it must have been short for "Principal Teacher" >and I am wondering when the short form became standard. >I see that "Principal Teacher" is still used in some contexts, >such as dance schools or religious schools. In the UK, the term "principal" is used for the head academic of a college as opposed to a school. Some universities have "principals" while others have "vice-chancellors". Colleges in England and Wales have, or at least used to have, the official grade of "Principal Lecturer" who is normally one step down from the head of department. In Scotland, the term "Principal Teacher" is used for a head of department. An example of this would be "Principal Teacher of English" which means that he or she is the teacher in charge of the English department. -- Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263 "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it. It's not what you do that matters but how you do it" << [John Dean] [...] 'Principal' has been used for some centuries as a stand-alone noun for a Chief of some kind or Head of an Institution. The term is used over here - Oxford Colleges generally have Principals (and often principles arf) as do some Cambridge Colleges. [end quote] >> << [Don Aitken] Not "generally". I make it ten Principals, eight Wardens, eight Masters, five Presidents, two Rectors, two Provosts and one Dean. I have always found the diversity rather charming. Cambridge, less interestingly, has almost all Masters, plus three Principals, two Presidents, one Provost and one Mistress. Collectively, they are "Heads of Houses" at both places. The oldest college to have a Principal seesm to be Brasenose (1509). [end quote] >> << [Alasdair Baxter] In the UK, the term "principal" is used for the head academic of a college as opposed to a school. Some universities have "principals" while others have "vice-chancellors". [end quote] >> I thought I had it, but now I am confused about which of three watches to look at. Do these Principals, Presidents, and Rectors do any teaching, or are they full-time (or nearly so) administrators? If administrators, do they deal only with the faculty; or with faculty and students; or with faculty, students, staff, parking lots, and boilers? What got me going was noticing the principals and vice-chancellors, and the lack of chancellors. Is there a chancellor and if so, why isn't the chancellor considered "The Chief"? For those who know both the US and UK systems, what corresponds to the US Dean of Faculty? Is "head academic" more like head of department or dean of faculty? -- --------------------------------------------- Richard Maurer To reply, remove half Sunnyvale, California of a homonym of a synonym for also. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I am thinking about "What if the US K-12 schools took the term Warden instead of Principal?" >What got me going was noticing the principals and vice-chancellors, >and the lack of chancellors. Is there a chancellor and if so, >why isn't the chancellor considered "The Chief"? The custom in the UK is for the chancellor to be "the non-resident honorary head of a university" "vice chancellor - noun a deputy chancellor, especially one of a British university who discharges most of its administrative duties." (Quotes from NODE). For example, at my local university (Queen's University, Belfast) the vice-chancellor is Professor Sir George Bain and the Chancellor is former US Senator George Mitchell. SignaturePeter Duncanson UK (posting from a.e.u) >The custom in the UK is for the chancellor to be "the non-resident honorary >head of a university" Above him, in an even more honorary position, is the Visitor. David >>The custom in the UK is for the chancellor to be "the non-resident honorary >>head of a university" > >Above him, in an even more honorary position, is the Visitor. Honorary, but more powerful. SignaturePeter Duncanson UK (posting from a.e.u) > Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head > teacher in a school in the UK. Used to be headmaster or > headmistress. It saves having to change the plaque on the door when > the position is filled by a person of the opposite sex. "Rector" is in use in some more-traditional schools in Scotland, demonstrating once again the linguistic affinity between the Scots and Scandinavians (cf. the Danish "rektor"). So far as I know it has the advantage of being gender-neutral ("Rectress", anyone?). -- Colin > > Head teacher or headteacher is now the normal term for the, er, head > > teacher in a school in the UK. Used to be headmaster or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Scandinavians (cf. the Danish "rektor"). So far as I know it has the > advantage of being gender-neutral ("Rectress", anyone?). *The Century Dictionary* ( www.century-dictionary.com ) has an entry for "rectoress, rectress," which it labels as "rare," and also has, in the same sense, "rectrix" (plural "rectrices"), adopted directly from Latin. SignatureRaymond S. Wise Minneapolis, Minnesota USA E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com |
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