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Dr Robin Bignall - 12 Jan 2004 00:00 GMT
Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
tonight and hit himself in the stomach on the end of the handrail. He
started bleeding from his stoma about four hours ago, and mindful that we
went through this in 1997 I phoned for an ambulance. He has been taken to
London and has been seen by the abdominal surgeon who operated on him in
1998, who did not seem unduly concerned about his condition. He is under
sedation and is having transfusions, and will probably have an exploratory
operation tomorrow. I am now closing his house down and have no access to
the Internet myself. Neither his ex-wife nor I know his password.

Jeanne Padfield

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

Peter Duncanson - 12 Jan 2004 00:11 GMT
>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanne Padfield

Jeanne,

I realise you won't read this for some days, but I wish Robin all the best
and will be thinking of him.

Peter

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Carter Jefferson - 12 Jan 2004 03:59 GMT
>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanne Padfield

Very sad news--thank you for letting us know.

Please give Robin my best, and tell him I want him back on as soon as
possible.

Carter

Carter Jefferson
carterj98@mindspring.com
http://carterj.homestead.com/
meirman - 12 Jan 2004 04:16 GMT
In alt.english.usage on Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:00:15 +0000 Dr Robin
Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:

>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanne Padfield

Tell Robin we hope he's not hurting too much, and we look forward to
his being home and on-line soon.

We're glad you were there to take care of him and things.

Meir

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Pat Durkin - 12 Jan 2004 05:06 GMT
> Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jeanne Padfield

Jeanne,
Thank you for letting us know about his difficulties.  I sure hope he
recovers and rejoins us as soon as possible, with as few complications as
his condition may allow.

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Marius Hancu - 12 Jan 2004 09:57 GMT
> Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jeanne Padfield

Thank you for posting this message.
Very sorry to hear about that. Best wishes for a quick and complete recovery.
Marius Hancu
M. J. Powell - 12 Jan 2004 11:22 GMT
>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>operation tomorrow. I am now closing his house down and have no access to
>the Internet myself. Neither his ex-wife nor I know his password.

My very best wishes for his speedy recovery, Jeanne.

Mike
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Alan Illeman - 12 Jan 2004 12:20 GMT
> Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Quiet part of Hertfordshire
> England

That's sad news. Any of you Brits live near enough to visit, or
phone and keep us informed?

Alan Illeman (alananne|surfbest|net)
Mike Bandy - 14 Jan 2004 18:51 GMT
>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanne Padfield

Best wishes from all of us at AEU and AUE.

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hopsasa - 15 Jan 2004 01:53 GMT
> Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Jeanne Padfield

Not too bad news.
Dr Robin Bignall - 15 Jan 2004 22:26 GMT
>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Jeanne Padfield

We've just got home. I'm a bit sore, have got a multi-coloured bruise, a
new set of stitches and a rotten cold. As Jeanne said, it looked and felt
far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

John Dean - 15 Jan 2004 23:33 GMT
>> Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they
>> work. He slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> few days. Thanks for good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now
> bed.

Good man yerself!
--
John Dean
Oxford
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Robert Lieblich - 16 Jan 2004 00:12 GMT
[ ... ]

> We've just got home. I'm a bit sore, have got a multi-coloured bruise, a
> new set of stitches and a rotten cold. As Jeanne said, it looked and felt
> far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
> good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

Better to look and feel far worse than it is than to be far worse
than it looks and feels.  (Did I get that right, Robin?)

As your American lawyer, I think you should sue someone.  How about
D. Hencer Spines?  He deserves to be sued for all he's worth.

It's great to have you back.  Keep those posts coming.

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Much relieved

Dr Robin Bignall - 16 Jan 2004 13:34 GMT
>[ ... ]
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Better to look and feel far worse than it is than to be far worse
>than it looks and feels.  (Did I get that right, Robin?)

I'll tell you when I've worked it out.

>As your American lawyer, I think you should sue someone.  How about
>D. Hencer Spines?  He deserves to be sued for all he's worth.

I'd hate to be accused of irreverence, but who is responsible for rain,
slippery leaves and giving mankind the intelligence to build stairs? Are
you up to sueing Her?

>It's great to have you back.  Keep those posts coming.

Slowly but surely.

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

mUs1Ka - 16 Jan 2004 16:21 GMT
>> [ ... ]
>>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Slowly but surely.

Glad you're on the mend.
m.
Dr Robin Bignall - 17 Jan 2004 13:39 GMT
>>> [ ... ]
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Glad you're on the mend.

Thanks, m. My head and hands are much as usual, but getting up the stairs
to the PC is a bit of an effort. Still, Jeanne's doing the vacuum cleaning
downstairs at the moment, and she usually tells me to bugger off upstairs
while she gets on with it. We're well into getting back to normal routine!

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

Dena Jo - 16 Jan 2004 01:11 GMT
> We've just got home. I'm a bit sore, have got a multi-coloured
> bruise, a new set of stitches and a rotten cold. As Jeanne said,
> it looked and felt far worse than it is. I have to take it easy
> for a few days. Thanks for good wishes, will reply individually
> ASAP. Now bed.

You beat me to the punch.  I was just going to announce that.  Well,
not the bed part, but the fact that you were okay.

<wipes brow>

Phew!

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Dr Robin Bignall - 16 Jan 2004 13:37 GMT
>> We've just got home. I'm a bit sore, have got a multi-coloured
>> bruise, a new set of stitches and a rotten cold. As Jeanne said,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>You beat me to the punch.  I was just going to announce that.  Well,
>not the bed part,

so I'd better not say "wish you were here"!

>but the fact that you were okay.

Thanks.

><wipes brow>
>
>Phew!

Me, too.

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

meirman - 16 Jan 2004 03:40 GMT
In alt.english.usage on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:26:10 +0000 Dr Robin
Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:

>>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
>good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

You guys.  That's the first thing you think about.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 16 Jan 2004 13:39 GMT
>In alt.english.usage on Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:26:10 +0000 Dr Robin
>Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>You guys.  That's the first thing you think about.

Meir! The only way I'd like to get laid right at this moment is
horizontally, alone, with lots of pillows and a good book. Which is what
I'm gonna do right now.

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Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

M. J. Powell - 16 Jan 2004 11:32 GMT
>>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
>>slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
>good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

Attaboy, doc. Don't push it.

Mike
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Dr Robin Bignall - 16 Jan 2004 13:30 GMT
>We've just got home. I'm a bit sore, have got a multi-coloured bruise, a
>new set of stitches and a rotten cold. As Jeanne said, it looked and felt
>far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
>good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

A big thanks for the good wishes to Peter, Carter, meir, Pat, Marius, Mike
P, Alan, and Mike B. Those who e-mailed have had replies.
And 'hopsasa', who was right. It looked far worse than it was. Stomas bleed
when simply touched. The blood vessels are just below the surface, and if
they don't bleed they aren't healthy.

The surgeon wasn't unduly concerned. People younger than I who take part in
sports are always bashing stomas. With drivers, its usually a shunt in a
car with lap seat belts. Those pass over the bit of abdomen (about a couple
of inches to the right of the navel) where illeostomies are usually put for
right-handed people. Bashing the thing on a handrail is so boring compared
with what I might have been up to! So, it was described as a routine
procedure, which put both our minds at rest. Bleeding was stopped early
hours of Monday morning, had lines (hate 'em!) into both arms for
transfusion (only one unit) and hydration/sedation, and injections to get
swelling down. Short op under a local anaesthetic Wednesday morning. A day
and a half rest and then given chance to go home after evening round last
night. Choice between hospital room with few books and a TV, versus home
with many books and no TV, was easy to make! The worst part was coming down
with a bad cold which had me sneezing violently Monday and Tuesday, and
coughing equally badly the rest of the week. Sneezing and coughing is no
joke with a very sore abdomen.

Have got to take it easy for a week. No frequent climbing of stairs, so
will gradually ease myself back into circulation.
Thanks to all once more.

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Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

Harvey Van Sickle - 16 Jan 2004 13:36 GMT
On 16 Jan 2004, Dr Robin Bignall wrote

-snip about stomas and bleeding-

> Have got to take it easy for a week. No frequent climbing of
> stairs, so will gradually ease myself back into circulation.

An apposite turn of phrase...

Best wishes, Robin.

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Southern England for the past 21 years.
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Christopher Johnson - 16 Jan 2004 13:48 GMT
[..]

> Have got to take it easy for a week. No frequent climbing of stairs, so
> will gradually ease myself back into circulation.

I'm very relieved to hear that you're basically OK,
Robin. I hope you make a good recovery. Now, be sure
to take it easy and rest up, OK?!!

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Tony Cooper - 16 Jan 2004 14:17 GMT
>[..]
>
>> Have got to take it easy for a week. No frequent climbing of stairs, so
>> will gradually ease myself back into circulation.

Glad to hear all is better, if not well, Robin.  
Mike Bandy - 17 Jan 2004 02:24 GMT
...

>Have got to take it easy for a week. No frequent climbing of stairs, so
>will gradually ease myself back into circulation.

I'm glad you're home from the hospital.  Best wishes.

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Daniel James - 16 Jan 2004 13:35 GMT
> ... it looked and felt far worse than it is.

I'm glad of that (though maybe not the "felt" part).

Keep well.

Cheers,
Daniel.

Ayaz Ahmed Khan - 16 Jan 2004 13:55 GMT
"Dr Robin Bignall" typed:

>>Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they
>>work. He slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> few days. Thanks for good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now
> bed.


[heaves a sigh of relief]

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david56 - 16 Jan 2004 17:21 GMT
docrobin@ntlworld.com spake thus:

> >Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> >slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
> good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

I've had  a cold as well - rotten, isn't it?  :-)

Welcome back;  I'm pleased to hear it was no worse.  Take it easy for
a while.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 17 Jan 2004 13:53 GMT
>docrobin@ntlworld.com spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>I've had  a cold as well - rotten, isn't it?  :-)

Mine just won't go away. Coughing and sneezing is no fun!

>Welcome back;  I'm pleased to hear it was no worse.  Take it easy for
>a while.

Thanks to all for the good wishes. Sitting up here for an hour or two is no
hardship, as all of the chairs that I use have always been on risers so
that I don't have to bend in the middle too much, and I've now got a
microwave set up for hot drinks. Route back down the stairs to bedroom
floor is fitted with hand rails for the disabled that one can grip tightly,
rather than the kind that one just rests the hands upon. If I say that
they're as safe as houses, though, we'll probably have our first
earthquake, so I won't tempt fate.

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

meirman - 18 Jan 2004 08:43 GMT
In alt.english.usage on Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:42 +0000 Dr Robin
Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:

>Thanks to all for the good wishes. Sitting up here for an hour or two is no
>hardship, as all of the chairs that I use have always been on risers so
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>they're as safe as houses, though, we'll probably have our first
>earthquake, so I won't tempt fate.

Do they have earthquakes in England?  Mud slides?  Forest fires?
Tornados?  Hurricanes?

>wrmst rgrds
>Robin Bignall

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mUs1Ka - 18 Jan 2004 10:03 GMT
> Do they have earthquakes in England?  Mud slides?  Forest fires?
> Tornados?  Hurricanes?

Yes, but more genteel than those in the USA.

We had a tornado in the Bristol Channel last week, but it blew itself out
before any damage was done.
m.
david56 - 18 Jan 2004 11:08 GMT
meirman@invalid.com spake thus:

> In alt.english.usage on Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:42 +0000 Dr Robin
> Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Do they have earthquakes in England?  Mud slides?  Forest fires?
> Tornados?  Hurricanes?

Earthquakes, certainly - I have been in one.  The office I was in
shook slightly for about 5 seconds.  Tornados, yes;  ISTR that
Patrick Moore's home observatory was destroyed by a tornado.

I believe that it's theoretically not possible for us to experience a
hurricane, which is a Tropical Cyclone, but of all the disasters you
ask about, extreme winds are the most common and by far the most
destructive in the UK.  The Great Storm in October 1987 caused severe
damage and chaos across Southern England and killed a dozen people;  
much of the damage and death was due to falling trees.  Some have
estimated that 15 million trees were felled by the wind that night.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 18 Jan 2004 16:55 GMT
>meirman@invalid.com spake thus:
>
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>much of the damage and death was due to falling trees.  Some have
>estimated that 15 million trees were felled by the wind that night.

I think it was September, because I was in Belgium that week and couldn't
get through to the then current girlfriend on the phone. I remember driving
back up the M2 and through London from the ferry on the Sunday afterwards,
seeing fallen trees and debris everywhere.

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Robin Bignall

Quiet part of Hertfordshire
England

david56 - 18 Jan 2004 17:17 GMT
Dr Robin Bignall spake thus:

> >I believe that it's theoretically not possible for us to experience a
> >hurricane, which is a Tropical Cyclone, but of all the disasters you
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> back up the M2 and through London from the ferry on the Sunday afterwards,
> seeing fallen trees and debris everywhere.

Nope - Friday 16th October 1987.  Whether the weather had a hand I
don't know, but Black Monday, when the stock market suffered a severe
downturn, was on Monday 19th October.

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Dr Robin Bignall - 18 Jan 2004 21:31 GMT
>Dr Robin Bignall spake thus:
>
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>
>Nope - Friday 16th October 1987.  

You are right! I just checked my business diary (have kept 'em all since
83). I went to Belgium to help run a customer course Sunday 11th, got
stopped in the Mercedes at the border into Belgium and they took the
interior of the car apart. They never said why. My colleague was behind me
with a van full of computers (I think they were prototype or early release
RISC machines) and sailed straight through. (He got stopped on the way back
out on that Friday, had to take the machines back to la Hulpe and dump them
- another story!) I came back on the Friday, landed at Dover late evening
and drove back as I said. On my way through London (streets full of debris
and tree branches, little traffic about) to get to Bayswater I passed near
Sloane Square and remember a building still on fire somewhere around there.

We seem to have settled into a pattern of high winds since 87, though never
quite as bad as that. I bought my flat in Chiswick December that year, and
most years until I left I lost a tile or two from the roof through winds.

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Matti Lamprhey - 18 Jan 2004 18:13 GMT
"Dr Robin Bignall" <docrobin@ntlworld.com> wrote...
> >[...]  The Great Storm in October 1987 caused severe
> >damage and chaos across Southern England and killed a dozen people;
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I remember driving back up the M2 and through London from the ferry
> on the Sunday afterwards, seeing fallen trees and debris everywhere.

No, it was the first half of October, and a Friday, I think.  I was at
the end of a very late holiday at Riva del Garda, I remember, and
travelled back to see the aftermath.

Matti
meirman - 18 Jan 2004 18:16 GMT
In alt.english.usage on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:08:41 -0000 david56
<bass.c.voice@ntlworld.com> posted:

>meirman@invalid.com spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>much of the damage and death was due to falling trees.  Some have
>estimated that 15 million trees were felled by the wind that night.

I guess I should have known about that, based on the word "windfall".

Central Maryland has had about 2 tornados, one that only did a little
damage about 10 miles from here since I've been here 20 years.  And
one big one, though it didn't last that long, that destroyed a bunch
of LaPlata Maryland, an hour or two away.  (NYC had none)

And about one small earthquake, iirc, in the same time.

We get the tail end of some hurricanes, big ones every 10 years or so,
but still not as big as if we were on the coast.

There was one in September that knocked out electric power for about 3
million people of the 3.7** million customers in Central Md and
Northern Va. (I don't recall what happened to DC, if anything.)  Other
power companies sent crews and trucks to fix things, 40,000 repairmen
from out of state.  I still can't imagine that.  They stayed for
weeks.

**I had power during this one, but lost it for 48 hours in another one
in the summer.  And 4 years ago, for 2 days in the middle of winter.
I was just starting to call people for a place to stay when the power
came on.

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Peter Duncanson - 18 Jan 2004 16:57 GMT
>In alt.english.usage on Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:42 +0000 Dr Robin
>Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:
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>>
>Do they have earthquakes in England?

Yes.

There is an article, with maps, at
http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/yourenv/eff/land/earthquakes/?lang=_e
Here are the first paragraphs
<quote>
Earthquakes are not generally associated with the UK, but there is a
moderate amount of seismicity.
...
Some 200 to 300 small earthquakes are detected in the UK each year. Only
about 30 of these can be felt by people and there is usually no damage.
Twenty-seven earthquakes with magnitudes of 4.5 or greater on the Richter
scale have been felt in the UK since 1900 (Figure 1).
</quote>
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meirman - 18 Jan 2004 18:15 GMT
In alt.english.usage on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:57:14 +0000 Peter
Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:

>>In alt.english.usage on Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:53:42 +0000 Dr Robin
>>Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> posted:
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><quote>
>Earthquakes are not generally associated with the UK, but there is a

That was my image.

>moderate amount of seismicity.
>...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>scale have been felt in the UK since 1900 (Figure 1).
></quote>

Thank you.

I forgot to ask about floods.  

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Peter Duncanson - 18 Jan 2004 23:28 GMT
>In alt.english.usage on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:57:14 +0000 Peter
>Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:
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>
>I forgot to ask about floods.  

Oh yes, we have those!

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Dr Robin Bignall - 19 Jan 2004 10:37 GMT
>>I forgot to ask about floods.  
>
>Oh yes, we have those!

In fact, since 1987 (maybe) we've had all sorts of "wrong" weather
conditions.

- In the autumn (fall) we regularly have all sorts of problems on the
railways with leaves on lines resulting in trains being stranded or running
late. Railtrack, the company which "runs" the railway tracks ("run" being
only an approximate verb) has resorted to various methods of dealing with
leaves, including removing trees adjacent to tracks. But we always seem to
have the wrong sort of leaves. My local railway company, WAGN, even
published a "Leaf Timetable" last September, which showed late starting
times and delayed journey times built into the timetable!

- About this time last year we had a snowfall. I measured it in my back
yard - it was an inch deep. 20 to 30 miles to my east, in Essex, it was 2
inches deep, and the whole of that side of England ground to a halt for a
couple of days. People were stranded in cars and stations, and the motorway
M11 was littered with abandoned vehicles. It was the wrong sort of snow.

- The main railway line through Devon and Cornwall runs along the edge of
the beach in a town in Devon called Dawlish. 50 years ago we used to go on
holiday there, I used to swim in the sea, and train-spot from the beach.
Recently the seas have been breaking so hard onto that beach that they've
splashed over Richard Branson's trains, screwed up their electrics, and
brought them to a halt. Wrong sort of sea.

- Usually each summer we have a hosepipe ban somewhere, due to reservoirs
being empty. It's nearly always in Kent. We had a dry summer last year, but
have had lots of rain recently. The water companies are still worried,
however, because it was the wrong sort of rain - driving rain, which runs
off the surface into the rivers, causing floods, rather than steady
drizzle, which soaks the ground.

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M. J. Powell - 19 Jan 2004 12:14 GMT
>>>I forgot to ask about floods.
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>couple of days. People were stranded in cars and stations, and the motorway
>M11 was littered with abandoned vehicles. It was the wrong sort of snow.

When I lived with my parents, until '49, every year without fail snow on
the roof brought down the guttering, which was cast-iron. The long
lengths stuck in the ground like spears.

A couple of years after I moved into this village we had about 4" of
snow. It was the talk of the village for weeks.

Then in about '83 when I came home after a late shift the M56 was
blocked by a snow drift from side-to-side. I was the only vehicle on the
road and had to ram my Landrover through drifts to get home.

The council doesn't grit our roads anymore.

Our climate is certainly changing.

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Daniel James - 20 Jan 2004 11:09 GMT
> In fact, since 1987 (maybe) we've had all sorts of "wrong" weather
> conditions.

I don't think conditions have been getting very much more severe, or that
the impact of weather conditions on public services has been significantly
more pronounced than in the past. I think it's just that as our lives
become increasingly sophisticated we place more reliance on those services
and come to *expect* them to work, and that the disruption when the weather
fails us is more than commensurately greater.

I can remember the London Underground (the Overground bit on the Wimbledon
line, at least) grinding to a halt in snow, and my having to walk to school
in the late 1960s. For that matter I can remember walking to my primary
school in the early 1960s through fog so thick I couldn't see my hand in
front of my face (at arm's length) ... all in eerie silence as there was no
traffic moving at all. We don't get fogs like that any more.

> Railtrack, the company which "runs" the railway tracks ...

.. went bust and has been replaced by something calling itself "Network
Rail" - mostly the same miscreants, of course.

> Usually each summer we have a hosepipe ban somewhere, due to reservoirs
> being empty.

But this summer -- the hottest and driest ever recorded in Britain -- the
water companies have been congratulating themselves that there haven't been
hosepipe bans anywhere (if I read that right) in the country. We certainly
haven't had one in Berkshire.

> The water companies are still worried, however, because it was the wrong
> sort of rain - driving rain, which runs off the surface into the rivers,
> causing floods, rather than steady drizzle, which soaks the ground.

I think the problem is rather "wrong sort of ground" -- it got too dry over
the summer and now won't wet properly.

.. but you're right about one thing: nostalgia isn't what it used to be
(as the saying goes)!

Cheers,
Daniel.

John Flynn - 20 Jan 2004 11:29 GMT
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> For that matter I can remember walking to my primary school in the early
> 1960s through fog so thick I couldn't see my hand in front of my face
> (at arm's length) ... all in eerie silence as there was no traffic moving
> at all. We don't get fogs like that any more.

You have to know where to find them, that's all.

In August 2002, I was in south Dorset, driving around the Portland area
and it was an amazingly sunny and warm day.  Without warning, a fog
exactly as you described came down and it was just like a white net curtain
had been lowered on the whole place.  It felt as if the entire world had
ceased to exist except for the three yards all around me.

I was with a friend from Sweden at the time, and he'd wanted to see the
lighthouse (Portland Bill).  Anyone's who has been there will know that
you can only go so far by car and to actually get to the lighthouse and
touch it you have to walk a little distance, but it's still clearly visible
from where the car has to be left.  I stopped the car as near as possible,
and my friend was just sitting there, looking in the direction we guessed
the sea to be in, going "Well, where's the lighthouse? I don't see it!"
The next day, we revisited and it was amazing to park in the the same place
and just realise how large and totally unmissable the lighthouse is in
normal daylight conditions yet be totally obscured the day before.

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Alan Illeman - 17 Jan 2004 12:53 GMT
> >Robin gave me instructions on how to use his computer, I hope they work. He
> >slipped and fell on some wet steps as he was meeting me at the station
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> far worse than it is. I have to take it easy for a few days. Thanks for
> good wishes, will reply individually ASAP. Now bed.

Welcome back Robin, we missed you.
 
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