Hello! I am in trouble understanding the meaning of the verb
"remember" in the following passage. I wonder if they have different
meanings: ***remember*** means "to bring some information into one's
mind" and ___remember____ means "to recollect information from
one's memory".
Why is it so difficult to learn and ***remember*** new information and
to __remember___ it accurately? One reason is that our brains were
not built to remember the kinds of things we must learn in a modern
world. My own favorite metaphor* to explain this truth comes from my
experience of cutting the grass in the fields at my hilly home in
Sharon, Vermont. Every year I get out the tractor and go to work,
driving over the knee-high grass, up and down the fields. Now, there
is danger lurking under the grass, some deep, hidden holes that put
the tractor and me at risk. Yet, after the first exploratory effort
some eight years ago, I learned where every one of these holes is, and
eight years later, I stop at each and slowly navigate around the
danger. The point is, the brain is built to remember where real harm
can come to you in real physical space. If someone had stopped me at
each of those holes during the first year and said, "We now want you
to remember this phone number," I would never have retained that
information unless I practiced and practiced it. Our brains don't
like learning modern-day information. No wonder they make mistakes --
and lots of them.
Thank you in advance.
LP
Eric Walker - 03 Jan 2009 03:44 GMT
> Hello! I am in trouble understanding the meaning of the verb "remember"
> in the following passage. I wonder if they have different meanings:
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> Why is it so difficult to learn and ***remember*** new information and
> to __remember___ it accurately? [...]
It appears to be simply a clumsy sentence, with the word in both
instances meaning "to recollect information from one's memory". It seems
that what was meant would be something like this:
"Why is it so difficult to learn and remember (remember accurately, that
is) new information?"
That is an inelegant recasting, but should convey what appears to be the
writer's meaning.

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mm - 03 Jan 2009 23:45 GMT
>Hello! I am in trouble understanding the meaning of the verb
>"remember" in the following passage. I wonder if they have different
>meanings: ***remember*** means "to bring some information into one's
>mind"
I'm not aware of this meaning. Below, remember new information
doesn't refer to bringing it into one's mind. When someone sees or
hears or reads new information, it's already in his mind. Remembering
it from then on is just about the same as remembering something he
learned years ago.
At least in English. Maybe in science you could draw a distinction
between having new information in a holding area that will retain it
only temporarily, and then moving it to an area from which it can be
remembered. But that is science.
In English, the word remember refers to the ability to recall
something from memory. If one can't recall something because it never
got stored in long term memory, that still doesn't make your first
suggested definition a real definition.
> and ___remember____ means "to recollect information from
>one's memory".
That's what the word means.
>Why is it so difficult to learn and ***remember*** new information and
>to __remember___ it accurately? One reason is that our brains were
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>
>LP

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John Varela - 04 Jan 2009 00:52 GMT
> Hello! I am in trouble understanding the meaning of the verb
> "remember" in the following passage. I wonder if they have different
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Why is it so difficult to learn and ***remember*** new information and
> to __remember___ it accurately?
One can't learn without remembering, so the first "remember" is
unnecessary and should go. The second "remember" is ambiguous and
should be replaced.
The sentence should be edited to:
"Why is it so difficult to learn new information and recall it
accurately?"
This, of course, presupposes that it is in fact difficult to learn
and recall new information, which is debatable. In fact, the author
goes on to invalidate his statement by citing an example in which it
was easy to learn new information.
I think it would be well to find a different book to read.

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Lazypierrot - 04 Jan 2009 04:53 GMT
Thank you everyone! I just wonder it it is possible to think that
there are two kinds of meanings for the verb "remember" used in the
passage; one is "to retain" and the other is "to recall". The
metaphor the author cites describes the situation where we can rather
easily retain the places of the holes in the fields, while "retaining"
numbers is very difficult.
Why is it so difficult to learn and ***remember=retain*** new
information and
to __remember=recall___ it accurately? One reason is that our brains
were
not built to ***remember=retain*** the kinds of things we must learn
in a modern
world. My own favorite metaphor to explain this truth comes from my
experience of cutting the grass in the fields at my hilly home in
Sharon, Vermont. Every year I get out the tractor and go to work,
driving over the knee-high grass, up and down the fields. Now, there
is danger lurking under the grass, some deep, hidden holes that put
the tractor and me at risk. Yet, after the first exploratory effort
some eight years ago, I learned where every one of these holes is,
and
eight years later, I stop at each and slowly navigate around the
danger. The point is, the brain is built to ***remember=retain***
where real harm
can come to you in real physical space. If someone had stopped me at
each of those holes during the first year and said, "We now want you
to ***remember=retain*** this phone number," I would never have
retained that
information unless I practiced and practiced it. Our brains don't
like learning modern-day information. No wonder they make mistakes
--
and lots of them.
LP
Chris R - 04 Jan 2009 10:55 GMT
> Thank you everyone! I just wonder it it is possible to think that
> there are two kinds of meanings for the verb "remember" used in the
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> information unless I practiced and practiced it. Our brains don't
> like learning modern-day information. No wonder they make mistakes
I hadn't thought of it before, but I think you can say that the are two
distinct meanings: to commit to memory, and to recall from memory.
"Remember this formula. You will need it." refers to the process of
learning.
"I can't remember the formula" means you knew it once, and can't now recall
it.
There may be a third meaning, relating to "remembrance": "remember me to
JIm", means remind him of my existence; but i can't think of another context
and this may just be idiom.
Chris R
Eric Walker - 04 Jan 2009 11:55 GMT
[...]
> I hadn't thought of it before, but I think you can say that the are two
> distinct meanings: to commit to memory, and to recall from memory.
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> JIm", means remind him of my existence; but i can't think of another
> context and this may just be idiom.
Even an ordinary desk dictionary yields nine or ten senses for the verb
"remember" (seven or eight transitive and two intransitive). The issue
was the OP's reasonable confusion over the intended senses in one
particular ill-composed sentence.
For those without such a dictionary to hand, in summary:
vt
1. have a thing come to mind again
2. bring back to mind by an effort of will 3. bear in mind, be careful not
to forget 4. keep a person in mind with some associated feeling 5a. keep a
person in mind for a giving (gift, legacy, etc.) 5b. give a present or tip
6. mention a person to another as sending regards or greetings 7.[Archaic]
remind
vi
1. bear in mind or call back to mind
2. have memory or the use of memory

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Redbourn - 04 Jan 2009 20:53 GMT
> [...]
>
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> Cordially,
> Eric Walker, Owlcroft Househttp://owlcroft.com/english/
What is a 'member'?
A part or an appendage
To re-member could mean putting the parts back together again.
Mike
mm - 04 Jan 2009 23:46 GMT
>[...]
>
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>6. mention a person to another as sending regards or greetings 7.[Archaic]
>remind
This last one sounds like something one of the Clampetts would say?
(Them's the Beverly Hillbillies for any youngens that be readin.)
>vi
>1. bear in mind or call back to mind
>2. have memory or the use of memory

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