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Don H - 21 Jan 2004 19:57 GMT
Just wondered whether the elongated "s" (like an "f") used in old English
text had any rule(s) for its use in replacing ordinary "s", or was it
inserted at whim?
Adrian Bailey - 21 Jan 2004 20:00 GMT
> Just wondered whether the elongated "s" (like an "f") used in old English
> text had any rule(s) for its use in replacing ordinary "s", or was it
> inserted at whim?

Was it similar to the rule in classical Greek for the use of its two
s-forms?

Adrian
Raymond S. Wise - 21 Jan 2004 21:51 GMT
> Just wondered whether the elongated "s" (like an "f") used in old English
> text had any rule(s) for its use in replacing ordinary "s", or was it
> inserted at whim?

Cecil Adams deals with the matter in a Straight Dope column. There was a
rule, although the "long 's'" was often used more often than the rule would
call for.

See
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_110.html

One thing Adams fails to point out in that column is that the line which
often appeared in the middle of the long 's' typically extended from the
left to the middle bar, rather than crossing the bar entirely, as is the
case with "f."

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Alan Jones - 22 Jan 2004 08:40 GMT
> > Just wondered whether the elongated "s" (like an "f") used in old English
> > text had any rule(s) for its use in replacing ordinary "s", or was it
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> left to the middle bar, rather than crossing the bar entirely, as is the
> case with "f."

Adams also fails to point out that when there was a pair of s's the first
was long and the second short, even in the middle of a word: "witnefses".

In German the double-s letter, the eszet, looks like a blurring of a long
and short s into a single symbol. I believe there are/were rules for the use
of the eszet, depending on whether the s "pair" is a real doubled consonant
or only the accidental meeting of two s's belonging to different syllables.
Was there a similar old English convention?

Alan Jones
Adrian Bailey - 22 Jan 2004 17:35 GMT
> > > Just wondered whether the elongated "s" (like an "f") used in old
> English
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> of the eszet, depending on whether the s "pair" is a real doubled consonant
> or only the accidental meeting of two s's belonging to different syllables.

You're right, but it's more complicated than that. The thing to learn was
that the eszett wasn't used between two short vowels (in a non-compound). So
"essbar" (edible) used the eszett but "essen" (to eat) didn't. Some people
thought the recent spelling reform would scrap the eszett, but instead the
rule is now that it's only used after a long vowel. So "essbar" is just
double-s now too.  Adrian

> Was there a similar old English convention?
 
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