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J J Levin - 22 Apr 2009 20:22 GMT
Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?

Thanks for any assistance,

Jay
Glenn Knickerbocker - 22 Apr 2009 21:23 GMT
>Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?

Only a tiny bit.  Figurative uses more often use "towards," while
"toward" more often indicates a physical direction.  If in doubt, you
can just about always choose "towards" without confusing anybody.

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http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/engel.html      --marika5000
J J Levin - 22 Apr 2009 22:22 GMT
>>Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?
>
> Only a tiny bit.  Figurative uses more often use "towards," while
> "toward" more often indicates a physical direction.  If in doubt, you
> can just about always choose "towards" without confusing anybody.

Thanks!
Damaeus - 23 Apr 2009 21:42 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
Glenn Knickerbocker <NotR@bestweb.net> posted:

> >Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?
>
> Only a tiny bit.  Figurative uses more often use "towards," while
> "toward" more often indicates a physical direction.  If in doubt, you
> can just about always choose "towards" without confusing anybody.

What has always bugged me is when people say "anyways" instead of
"anyway".

Similarly, when someone says "I want to go to Wal-Mart's", instead of "I
want to go to Wal-Mart", that bugs me, too.

Damaeus
samson - 23 Apr 2009 23:12 GMT
In article <rik1v4d7t0fpc9s8ofpcmrcle9inad3veq@4ax.com>, no-
mail@damaeus.yahoo.invalid says...>
> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> Glenn Knickerbocker <NotR@bestweb.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Damaeus

In other words, you live in Oklahoma.

s
Damaeus - 24 Apr 2009 00:16 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
samson <nospam@nospam.spam> posted:

> In article <rik1v4d7t0fpc9s8ofpcmrcle9inad3veq@4ax.com>, no-
> mail@damaeus.yahoo.invalid says...>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> In other words, you live in Oklahoma.

Texas.

Go ahead.  Laugh.  I don't see what's so funny, but go ahead and get it
out of your system.

Damaeus
David Kaye - 16 May 2009 17:52 GMT
> > In other words, you live in Oklahoma.
>
> Texas.
>
> Go ahead.  Laugh.  I don't see what's so funny, but go ahead and get it
> out of your system.

Truth be told, that was my guess, too.  I've never heard anyone talk
about going to "Walmart's", but then again I live in a highly educated
area of the country, the San Francisco Bay Area.  Sorry, but there are
regional differences in this country.
Damaeus - 19 May 2009 21:22 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
David Kaye <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> posted:

> Truth be told, that was my guess, too.  I've never heard anyone talk
> about going to "Walmart's", but then again I live in a highly educated
> area of the country, the San Francisco Bay Area.

There are highly educated people everywhere.  It just depends on the kind
of people you hang out with.  

> Sorry, but there are regional differences in this country.

No need to apologize for it.  You didn't lay out the regions.

Damaeus
BMCT2010 - 16 May 2009 16:48 GMT
> Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?
>
> Thanks for any assistance,
>
> Jay

They're both used differently for their different uses.
John Lawler - 17 May 2009 19:48 GMT
> Is there any difference between TOWARD and TOWARDS?

No, not much.  Maybe a little difference in some people's usage is
all.

Oddly, I once made a post on this subject, which is available at
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~jlawler/aue/besides.html

It's short, so I reproduce it below.

           ------ cut here ------

> I don't know if these threads have been around lately; sorry if
> this is a repetition.  But are toward and towards synonymous?
> Or does, say, *toward* imply direction and *towards* time?
>
> And beside and besides?

Interesting question.  Let's see: "toward(s)" -- How do I mean thee?
Let me count the ways:

(a) He walked steadily toward(s) the man with the gun.
     [goal-directed continuous linear motion, object = goal]
(b) Toward(s) midnight, things get a little rowdy downtown.
     [TIME is SPACE metaphor mapping of (a), object = terminal
instant]
(c) Toward(s) the end of the book it gets technical.
     [READING is TRAVELING metaphor mapping of (a)]

(a)-(c) sound perfectly ordinary either way (though one additional
unresolved question beside the "s" /z/) is the W. Is it pronounced
or not?  I use all of these myself:
   /tord/      /tword/
   /tordz/     /twordz/)

(d) She's acting rather oddly toward(s) me.

Aha! I do find the "s" here a little strange, perhaps because it
brings
too strong a physical sense of the motion, which is purely abstract
in this case.  The sentence is about the two people involved, not
the metaphorical transfer of behavioral information via the Conduit
Metaphor; any focus on that is wasted effort - it'll be presupposed.

But that's the only difference I can think of offhand, and it's not
very big, and it might easily be personal whim.  I'd guess the
variation
isn't semantic at all, but sociolinguistic.  Oh, and I assume you have
dictionaries available.

"Beside(s)" is another matter.  The principal spatial sense is obvious
(be [at] side [of]); but it's deictic, and those are always difficult
to
define (check out any dictionary on "left" vs. "right", for instance).
A lot depends on what the object is, and whether it can be said to
have
a distinguished direction called a "side", or whether it simply means
'close to' without any radial or directional information.  But the
strictly physical basic meaning can't use "s":

  (e) The Barcalounger will look great beside(*s) the sofa.

Besides that meaning, though, there's a very different one that means
"in addition".  You can sort of see the dead metaphor in that, but
it's so far from its source that I'd call it a different word.  One
argument for that analysis is that you *can* use "s" with it:

  (f) The Barcalounger will look great; beside(s), we've already
paid.

If we look hard enough, we might find something along these lines for
"toward(s)", too.

-John Lawler        U of Michigan Linguistics Dept
 http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler/disclaimers.html
 #include disclaimers.h
 
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