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Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something happening in the future. That event hasn't taken place and no longer can so the reserve is no longer relevant--it's ___. I don't want to use "irrelevant" because that could imply that the reserve was never relevant, which is not the case here.  SignatureBob http://www.kanyak.com >Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a >reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something >happening in the future. That event hasn't taken place and no longer can so >the reserve is no longer relevant--it's ___. I don't want to use >"irrelevant" because that could imply that the reserve was never relevant, >which is not the case here. "redundant" http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861700123/redundant.html adjective 1. superfluous: not or no longer needed or wanted SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is >>a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>"irrelevant" because that could imply that the reserve was never relevant, >>which is not the case here. > "redundant" > 1. superfluous: not or no longer needed or wanted Thank you (he says as he slaps self upside the head). That's the word I was trying to think of and it kept fleeting from my grasp. SignatureBob http://www.kanyak.com Reading from news:alt.english.usage, "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted: > >Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a > >reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > 1. superfluous: not or no longer needed or wanted Sadly, superfluous is not even listed as a "near antonym" in my desk thesaurus, even though it obviously is. "Extraneous" is in there, though. Supernumerary. There's one I don't see everyday. otiose nonessential :) Damaeus > Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a > reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something > happening in the future. That event hasn't taken place and no longer can so > the reserve is no longer relevant--it's ___. I don't want to use > "irrelevant" because that could imply that the reserve was never relevant, > which is not the case here. to obviate (third-person singular simple present obviates, present participle obviating, simple past and past participle obviated) 1. (transitive) To bypass a requirement or make it unnecessary. * They saved enough money for their purchase and obviated the need to borrow. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a >reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something >happening in the future. That event hasn't taken place and no longer can so >the reserve is no longer relevant--it's ___. I don't want to use >"irrelevant" because that could imply that the reserve was never relevant, >which is not the case here. I'm surprised no one has suggested moot. You may have to rephrase a little, the advantage of the reserve is moot. But unlike all the other suggestions** except one or two, moot implies that it once mattered and now doesn't. Obsolete and obviate would require rephrasing too. **Including redundant, which you seemed very happy with. :) You're probalby so happy you're not reading anymore. So I've attempted to email too. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >> Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The >> context is a reserve that a company has set aside against the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > probalby so happy you're not reading anymore. So I've attempted to > email too. "Moot" wouldn't work in BrE. "The advantage of the reserve is moot" would mean "We could argue about what advantage the reserve might still have". Alan Jones >>> Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The >>> context is a reserve that a company has set aside against the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Alan Jones Indeed. OED: moot, adj. 1. Originally in Law, of a case, issue, etc.: proposed for discussion at a moot (MOOT n.1 4). Later also gen.: open to argument, debatable; uncertain, doubtful; unable to be firmly resolved. Freq. in moot case, moot point. moot, n.1 1. a. A meeting, an assembly of people, esp. one for judicial or legislative purposes. Also: a place where a meeting is held. .... 4. Law. The discussion of a hypothetical case by law students for practice; a hypothetical doubtful case that may be used for discussion. Back to moot, adj. 2. N. Amer. (orig. Law). Of a case, issue, etc.: having no practical significance or relevance; abstract, academic. Now the usual sense in North America. 1807 Rep. U.S. Circuit Court: District Virginia (Lexis) 25 126 If a statute of the United States were to adopt a common law phrase, in the creation of an offence, no common law consequences would follow, because we have no common law. But this is a moot point .... The verb "meet" is from: a Germanic weak verb derived from the base of MOOT n.1 SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>>> Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The >>>> context is a reserve that a company has set aside against the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>"Moot" wouldn't work in BrE. "The advantage of the reserve is moot" would >>mean "We could argue about what advantage the reserve might still have". Of course the OP didn't bother to say where he was. I wish they would do that. More below. >>Alan Jones >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > because we have no common law. But this is a moot point > .... Well, it's often used about things that once had significance but no longer do. For example a motion to dismiss for reason A is moot once the case is dismissed for reason B. Maybe I was wrong when I included that it once mattered, that it once had significance, as part of its meaning, but I think we would have to do a survey now to know. Certainly its meaning is broader now than the 1807 example above. In addition I think I've seen it used quite a bit in the last few years to refer to not just to cases and issues but more broadly, including things like advantages. I often dislike meaning expansion, but in this case, I don't know of another word that means all that I think moot means in the US these days, so I'm not opposed. >The verb "meet" is from: > > a Germanic weak verb derived from the base of MOOT n.1 SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years <snip> > Back to moot, adj. > > 2. N. Amer. (orig. Law). Of a case, issue, etc.: having no practical > significance or relevance; abstract, academic. > Now the usual sense in North America. When it's used with this meaning I seem to hear it spoken by Americans as "mute" -- i.e. /mjut/, if my ASCII-IPA serves me -- more and more often these days. Perhaps originating from conflation with some expression like "the evidence is mute (concerning a particular question)"? SignatureOdysseus > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > expression like "the evidence is mute (concerning a particular > question)"? Not exactly a frequently-heard mispronunciation. I would think, without any statistical basis, that "mute" for "moot" is far less often heard/said than is "nucular" for "nuclear". By the way, a British news reporter on CNN seems to have contracted the "nucular" disease. I didn't catch her name, but I clearly heard the pronunciation on Friday of last week. On Apr 23, 10:48 am, "Opinicus" <gez...@spamcop.net.which.is.not.invalid> wrote: > Is there a word in English that means "no longer relevant"? The context is a > reserve that a company has set aside against the possibility of something [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Bobhttp://www.kanyak.com It's "immaterial." |
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