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Alan Jones - 23 Apr 2009 16:10 GMT
"Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
(certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
(One need hardly ask why.)

Alan Jones
contrex - 23 Apr 2009 18:37 GMT
> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> (One need hardly ask why.)
>
> Alan Jones

Depends what you mean by a bottle. Where I get my wine, 750ml and 1L
bottles usually come 12 to a case. 1.75L and 2L bottles usually come 6
to a case.
Rambler III - 08 May 2009 19:05 GMT
>> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears
>> generally
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> bottles usually come 12 to a case. 1.75L and 2L bottles usually come 6
> to a case.

3L jugs come 4-to the case.
Damaeus - 23 Apr 2009 22:02 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
"Alan Jones" <atj@blueyonder.co.uk> posted:

> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> (One need hardly ask why.)

Since someone else answered, I'll just ask what "BrE" is.

...ahem...

What is "BrE"?

Damaeus
Leslie Danks - 23 Apr 2009 22:11 GMT
> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> "Alan Jones" <atj@blueyonder.co.uk> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> What is "BrE"?

British English (and "AmE" is American English, etc.)

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Damaeus - 23 Apr 2009 22:19 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
Leslie Danks <leslie.danks@aon.at> posted:

> > Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> > "Alan Jones" <atj@blueyonder.co.uk> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> British English (and "AmE" is American English, etc.)

I hate acronyms.

Damaeus
HVS - 23 Apr 2009 22:39 GMT
On 23 Apr 2009, Damaeus wrote

> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> Leslie Danks <leslie.danks@aon.at> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> I hate acronyms.

So "AmE" and "BrE" should suit you fine, since they're not acronyms.

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tony cooper - 23 Apr 2009 23:20 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>Leslie Danks <leslie.danks@aon.at> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>I hate acronyms.

Since the difference between American usage and British usage is so
often discussed here, the two contracted representations are handy.

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Damaeus - 24 Apr 2009 00:15 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> posted:

> Since the difference between American usage and British usage is so
> often discussed here, the two contracted representations are handy.

Yeah, I know them now.  I just see people using acronyms all the time and
sometimes I have no clue.  I couldn't list many now because they just
don't process, but it took me a while to figure out that OED was Oxford
English Dictionary.

I guess it's because I try to refrain from using acronyms so my messages
will be clearer.

Damaeus
Hatunen - 24 Apr 2009 00:18 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I guess it's because I try to refrain from using acronyms so my messages
>will be clearer.

As long as we're on the subject of usage, neither AmE nor BrE is
an acronym.

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Damaeus - 24 Apr 2009 12:58 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:

> >I guess it's because I try to refrain from using acronyms so my messages
> >will be clearer.
>
> As long as we're on the subject of usage, neither AmE nor BrE is
> an acronym.

What are they?

Damaeus
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 24 Apr 2009 13:31 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>What are they?

Initialisms.

In American English (AmE) an "acronym" is an initialism that is
pronounced as a word.

IBM: pronounced "eye bee em", is an initialism that is not an acronym.
NASA: pronounced "nassuh", is an initialism that is also an acronym.

In British English (BrE) we often use "acronym" for any initialism.

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HVS - 24 Apr 2009 16:02 GMT
On 24 Apr 2009, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote

>> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>> Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> In British English (BrE) we often use "acronym" for any
> initialism.

I'd disagree with calling "AmE/BrE" initialisms, as the "m" and
"r" don't stand for separate words.

They're just abbreviations, I'd say.

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Damaeus - 24 Apr 2009 13:04 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:

> >Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> >tony cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> As long as we're on the subject of usage, neither AmE nor BrE is
> an acronym.

What about RADAR?  It's RaDAR.

That's in my dictionary:

    acronym

    a word formed from the first (or first few) letters of a series of
    words, as radar, from ra dio d etecting a nd r anging

    RAdio Detecting And Ranging.

AMerican English
BRitish Engish

The definition does not specify that all the letters in an acronym must be
capitalized.

Damaeus
Hatunen - 24 Apr 2009 18:22 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>AMerican English
>BRitish Engish

Notice that an acronym is a "word". RADAR is an acronym, probably
deliberately constructed and i is used as a word.

>The definition does not specify that all the letters in an acronym must be
>capitalized.

That's not the problem with calling AmE an acronym.

>Damaeus

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 24 Apr 2009 18:34 GMT
>>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
>That's not the problem with calling AmE an acronym.

AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
sounds like a word.

I would not pronounce BrE as "bree".

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Leslie Danks - 24 Apr 2009 18:42 GMT
[...]

> AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
> sounds like a word.

As does "aim".

> I would not pronounce BrE as "bree".

Me neither--too cheesy by half.

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John Varela - 24 Apr 2009 22:47 GMT
> AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
> sounds like a word.

And is how I would pronounce it, were I to pronounce it.

> I would not pronounce BrE as "bree".

I would pronounce it as br@-ee.

Of course I don't actually pronounce either one of them, but that's
what I hear in my head when I read them.

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Bill McCray - 25 Apr 2009 00:40 GMT
> > AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
> > sounds like a word.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Of course I don't actually pronounce either one of them, but that's
> what I hear in my head when I read them.

How long have you been hearing these voices?

Bill in Kentucky

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Damaeus - 27 Apr 2009 08:03 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
"John Varela" <OLDlamps@verizon.net> posted:

> > AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
> > sounds like a word.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Of course I don't actually pronounce either one of them, but that's
> what I hear in my head when I read them.

Then they could be acronyms if pronounceable and seen as such by their
lettering.

Ame.

Bre.

They are both pronounceable, though they look like the beginning of a cast
of characters for another poor imitation of the first Beastmaster movie.

Damaeus
Hatunen - 25 Apr 2009 01:13 GMT
>>>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>>>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
>sounds like a word.

Could be, but I've never heard it so pronounced. In fact, I doubt
it's vocalized much at all.

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 25 Apr 2009 11:13 GMT
>>>>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>>>>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>Could be, but I've never heard it so pronounced. In fact, I doubt
>it's vocalized much at all.

Agreed. If I did need to pronounce BrE and AmE for some reason I would
treat them in the same way as the abbreviations Dr, Mr, Mrs and say the
words for which they are abbreviations.

So BrE would be pronounced "British English", AmE: "American English",
Dr: "Doctor", Mr: "Mister", Mrs: "Missus" (or "Missis").

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Damaeus - 27 Apr 2009 08:04 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:

> Agreed. If I did need to pronounce BrE and AmE for some reason I would
> treat them in the same way as the abbreviations Dr, Mr, Mrs and say the
> words for which they are abbreviations.
>
> So BrE would be pronounced "British English", AmE: "American English",
> Dr: "Doctor", Mr: "Mister", Mrs: "Missus" (or "Missis").

Some people pronounce "OBE" as "oobee" even though it stands for Out of
Body Experience.

Damaeus
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Apr 2009 10:22 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Some people pronounce "OBE" as "oobee" even though it stands for Out of
>Body Experience.

Any relation to oobee wan kenoobee?

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Pat Durkin - 27 Apr 2009 16:46 GMT
> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Some people pronounce "OBE" as "oobee" even though it stands for Out
> of Body Experience.

I think of Ohbee as the first half of OB/GYN, in terms of titles for
specialties in medicine.  And don't any Brits acronymize the Order of
the British Empire?  (Or is conferring that title now obsolete?)
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Apr 2009 17:24 GMT
>> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>> "Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>specialties in medicine.  And don't any Brits acronymize the Order of
>the British Empire?  (Or is conferring that title now obsolete?)

I've not heard it acronymized.

And no, various ranks of the OBE are still conferred.

A recent instance was that of Senator Edward Kennedy. He was made an
Honorary KBE (Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire).

Former US Senator George Mitchell is an Hon. GBE (Knight Grand Cross of
the Order of the British Empire) and former US Senator John Warner is an
Hon. KBE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Warner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire

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John Varela - 27 Apr 2009 22:25 GMT
> And don't any Brits acronymize the Order of
> the British Empire?  (Or is conferring that title now obsolete?)

Several years ago one of our neighbors received the OBE.  He was a
Royal Marine, his name was Colonel Chicken, and he and his family
lived in one of the houses in our neighborhood that belong to the
Embassy of the UKoGBaNI.  Another neighbor, a retired US Marine bird
Colonel, made it clear to me that Colonel Chicken was a LIEUTENANT
Colonel.  I'm not sure why, but it seemed to be important to him.

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Apr 2009 22:34 GMT
>> And don't any Brits acronymize the Order of
>> the British Empire?  (Or is conferring that title now obsolete?)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Colonel, made it clear to me that Colonel Chicken was a LIEUTENANT
>Colonel.  I'm not sure why, but it seemed to be important to him.

A Colonel outranks a Lieutenant Colonel.

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tony cooper - 28 Apr 2009 02:07 GMT
>>> And don't any Brits acronymize the Order of
>>> the British Empire?  (Or is conferring that title now obsolete?)
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>A Colonel outranks a Lieutenant Colonel.

And a "bird colonel" because the insignia is in the shape of an eagle.
The Lieutenant Colonel's insignia is in the shape of an oak leaf.

The neighbor may have out-ranked the Lt Colonel, but the promotion to
full bird colonel is often a going-away present and made just before
retirement.    

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Damaeus - 27 Apr 2009 08:01 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
"Peter Duncanson (BrE)" <mail@peterduncanson.net> posted:

> >That's not the problem with calling AmE an acronym.
>
> AmE is an interesting case. It could be pronounced as "amee" which
> sounds like a word.
>
> I would not pronounce BrE as "bree".

Is it because you like your soup thick?

Damaeus
Damaeus - 27 Apr 2009 07:59 GMT
Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:

> >That's in my dictionary:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Notice that an acronym is a "word". RADAR is an acronym, probably
> deliberately constructed and i is used as a word.

Oh, I never made that distinction.  Thanks.  I always thought that AMA,
NSF, FBI and CIA were acronyms.  That gives me new understanding of my
memory of Jerry Lewis saying he hated acronyms.  I always thought I shared
the cluelessness I felt when it came to many acronyms that seemed to pop
up out of nowhere, but he was probably talking about things like False
Evidence Appearing Real (FEAR).  I hate those types of acronyms because of
the people promoting them expect us to use psychological tricks on
ourselves to remember some creed or course of action that ends up making
us feel like kindergarteners following Teacher's instructions.

When I worked at Wal-Mart in the late 80s, the customer service manager
would walk up to me while I was checking during a surge, and ask, "Have
you seen BOB???"  That was her stupid way of sending a secret message to
me to check the bottom of the customer's basket (Bottom Of Basket) without
making it sound like she thought the customer was a thief.  Considering
how many people shop at Wal-Mart every day and place items on the bottoms
of their baskets to be checked out, I wonder if these people wonder who
the f.ck Bob is and how he can work at so many damned stores...and why is
he always missing???

Damaeus
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 27 Apr 2009 10:31 GMT
>Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
>Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>ourselves to remember some creed or course of action that ends up making
>us feel like kindergarteners following Teacher's instructions.

A recent example of acronymical psychotrickery is "The USA PATRIOT Act".

Which is:
   The

   U(niting and)
   S(trengthening)
   A(merica by)

   P(roviding)
   A(ppropriate)
   T(ools)
   R(equired) to)
   I(ntercept and)
   O(bstruct)
   T(errorism)

   Act.
http://tinyurl.com/2jbwo

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Hatunen - 28 Apr 2009 05:05 GMT
>A recent example of acronymical psychotrickery is "The USA PATRIOT Act".
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>    Act.
>http://tinyurl.com/2jbwo

It seems just as phoney as those organizations they used to dream
up for agencies and villains in the old James Bond-type shows
like SMERSH and UNCLE.

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Robert Lieblich - 28 Apr 2009 00:03 GMT
> Reading from news:alt.english.usage,
> Hatunen <hatunen@cox.net> posted:

[ ... ]

> > Notice that an acronym is a "word". RADAR is an acronym, probably
> > deliberately constructed and i is used as a word.
>
> Oh, I never made that distinction.  Thanks.  I always thought that AMA,
> NSF, FBI and CIA were acronyms.

[ ... ]

The AUE (okay, it's a different group; same topic, tho -- and don't
bother asking why there are two groups; no one knows) FAQ has a
relevant item:

http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxacrony.html

I agree with everything else that has been said on this thread,
including all contradictory posts.

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David Kaye - 24 Apr 2009 07:25 GMT
> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> (One need hardly ask why.)

I don't recall that the term "case" has ever meant any fixed number of
items.  For 12-ounce soft drink cans there are typically 24 cans per
case, but this is convention; it's not set in stone.
Hatunen - 24 Apr 2009 18:16 GMT
>> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
>> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>items.  For 12-ounce soft drink cans there are typically 24 cans per
>case, but this is convention; it's not set in stone.

As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
the normal number for a case of wine.

When I was a tad soda (pop) was still vended in glass bottles
(which might break if allowed to jiggle against each other), so
they were usually carried in a wooden crate with wood
cross-separators that created 24 slots for bottles, so I still
think of a case of soda as consisting of 24 bottles. So also
beer.

See http://www.antiquemystique.com/pages/7808_jpg.htm

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David Kaye - 25 Apr 2009 20:49 GMT
> As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
> retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
> the normal number for a case of wine.

But the fact remains that a "case" does not denote a specific number,
as say, a "dozen" and a "gross" do.
Hatunen - 27 Apr 2009 18:05 GMT
>> As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
>> retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
>> the normal number for a case of wine.
>
>But the fact remains that a "case" does not denote a specific number,
>as say, a "dozen" and a "gross" do.

Quite true, especially when the people bottling the stuff start
jiggering the number. But so far, 750 ml bottles of wine seem to
genrally conform to the 12-bottle case, making a "case of wine"
easily understood when the context is 750 ml bottles.

Now for magnums and jerboahs...

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John Varela - 27 Apr 2009 22:31 GMT
> >> As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
> >> retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> genrally conform to the 12-bottle case, making a "case of wine"
> easily understood when the context is 750 ml bottles.

I can tell you for sure that at the local wine supermarket if you
want the 10% case discount you'd better pick up 12 identical 750s.  
(I'm partial to the Argentine malbec that, after the case discount,
costs less a little over $6 a bottle.)

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Hatunen - 29 Apr 2009 19:28 GMT
>> >> As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
>> >> retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>I can tell you for sure that at the local wine supermarket if you
>want the 10% case discount you'd better pick up 12 identical 750s.

At least Trader Joe's lets you mix and match.


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Pat Durkin - 29 Apr 2009 20:24 GMT
>>> >> As is easily nnoted at a Trader Joe's, wine normally ships to
>>> >> retailers in 12-bottle corrugated cartons, or cases, making 12
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> At least Trader Joe's lets you mix and match.

Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
TJ's was selling Chardonnay for $2.99 per liter (or other-sized bottle).
Was that when sold by the case?  I think they called it TJ Char, or some
kind of nickname (MarChar?)
John Varela - 30 Apr 2009 01:53 GMT
> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
> ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
> TJ's was selling Chardonnay for $2.99 per liter (or other-sized bottle).
> Was that when sold by the case?  I think they called it TJ Char, or some
> kind of nickname (MarChar?)

There's "Two-buck Chuck", a 750 ml either white or red, that got its
nickname because it only costs $2 a bottle, except that here in
Virginia it's $3 on account of taxes.  Could that be what you're
thinking of?

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Pat Durkin - 30 Apr 2009 15:55 GMT
>> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
>> ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Virginia it's $3 on account of taxes.  Could that be what you're
> thinking of?

I am pretty sure you are correct, thank you.  I confess to not having
heard it very clearly, as I was distracted by (1) the entire concept and
(2) the announcement that there is a Trader Joe's in my town, though 5
miles across the most congested area.  Still, I will be in that area
tomorrow and will seek out TJ's, just to have the shopping experience.
Hatunen - 30 Apr 2009 19:31 GMT
>>> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
>>> ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>miles across the most congested area.  Still, I will be in that area
>tomorrow and will seek out TJ's, just to have the shopping experience.

Two-buck Chuck (Three-bucks in Arizona) is pretty decent for
cheap wine, although I think the chardonnay isn't quite up to the
others. YMMV

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John Varela - 01 May 2009 22:44 GMT
> >>> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
> >>> ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> cheap wine, although I think the chardonnay isn't quite up to the
> others. YMMV

We've only bought a few bottles of two-buck Chuck, because I do the
wine buying and she does the shopping at Trader Joe's.  My
recollection is that the red we tried was quite drinkable but the
white I didn't much care for.  This from someone who seldom pays
more than $8 for a bottle of wine.

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John Varela - 01 May 2009 22:41 GMT
> >> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got top
> >> ranking (I can't recall the others, to tellt he truth, but they said
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> miles across the most congested area.  Still, I will be in that area
> tomorrow and will seek out TJ's, just to have the shopping experience.

While you're there, you might ask someone to explain this labeling
on the milk:

On the label of the Fat Free Milk there is the statement, "MILK fom
cows not treated with rBST," accompanied by a footnote that says, in
larger type, "NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN SHOWN BETWEN MILK
DERIVED FROM rBST-TREATED AND NON-rBST-TREATED COWS."

My wife and I have no idea what rBST is.  She suggests that it's a
hormone that is not consumed by the type of people who shop at
Trader Joe's. (Before somebody Googles it up and explains it, let me
say that I could Google it too but I don't really care that much.)

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Pat Durkin - 02 May 2009 16:17 GMT
>> >> Saw a rating of grocery stores on TV yesterday.  Trader Joe's got
>> >> top
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> Trader Joe's. (Before somebody Googles it up and explains it, let me
> say that I could Google it too but I don't really care that much.)

That is "recombinant" Bovine Somatotropin, or Bovine Growth Hormone.
It is a derivative hormone found through tinkering with DNA.  It makes
the cows produce more milk, and is injected by the farmers themselves to
increase the volume of milk produced.  There are arguments over the
possibility of the hormone's passing from the milk into the consumer in
an active state.  In addition, because of frequent infections, some
consumers want to know if the cattle have been treated, because the
antibiotics used to treat the infections also travel in the milk,
possibly helping to build immunity to the antibiotics and to trigger
allergic reactions.

These are related, of course, to the "organic" movement.

In your state's case, it really sounds as if the various VA (food
labeling) commissions are having a feud on the labels.  In Wisconsin the
"label if treated" faction lost the war and are, in their various co-op
dairies, labeling "rBST free" at their own cost, because the state would
not require labeling (but at least they don't put a warning about the
label ON the label!).  The discussion over truth in labeling, and fears
of hormones in food products also recall the problems with BPA and DES
(the latter, diethylstilbestrol, was found in beef, where it was used to
increase growth in beef cattle, and was associated with vaginal and
cervical cancer in women whose _mothers_ had been treated with DES.  I
don't think a transfer from beef to pregnant women has been ruled out.
Oh, male children of those same injected mothers were found to have
breast cancers, sterility, undescended testicles or malformed
testicles.)  BPA was found in plastics, and did travel into foods.
John Varela - 24 Apr 2009 22:48 GMT
> > "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> > (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
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> items.  For 12-ounce soft drink cans there are typically 24 cans per
> case, but this is convention; it's not set in stone.

Strange sizes are appearing in the super markets these days, such as
18 packs.

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Hatunen - 25 Apr 2009 01:14 GMT
>> > "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
>> > (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Strange sizes are appearing in the super markets these days, such as
>18 packs.

Costco sells soft drinks in 32-packs. Go figure.

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georgeh@ankerstein.org - 24 Apr 2009 08:38 GMT
> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> (One need hardly ask why.)

Thank God, not in America.
Beer is sold in "cases" of 12 bottles;
though many people, including me)
refer to them as "half cases".

GFH
Hatunen - 24 Apr 2009 18:20 GMT
>> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
>> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>though many people, including me)
>refer to them as "half cases".

Because a "case" originally held 24 bottles.

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John Varela - 24 Apr 2009 22:51 GMT
> > "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> > (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> > (One need hardly ask why.)
>
> Thank God, not in America.

As someone has pointed out, a case of the big bottles is 6 even in
the USofA.

> Beer is sold in "cases" of 12 bottles;
> though many people, including me)
> refer to them as "half cases".

I haven't seen those called "cases".  I call those "12-packs".

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Rambler III - 08 May 2009 19:07 GMT
>> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears
>> generally
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> GFH

12-pack?

And a 6-pack is a "quarter case"?
Iain - 04 May 2009 19:57 GMT
> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
> (One need hardly ask why.)

So what do you call those cardboard boxes with the tap?

--Iain
Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 04 May 2009 20:12 GMT
>> "Case" used in BrE to mean a dozen bottles of wine; now it appears generally
>> (certainly in supermarket-speak) to mean six. When did the new sense appear?
>> (One need hardly ask why.)
>
>So what do you call those cardboard boxes with the tap?

"Wine box" or sometimes "bag in box".

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John Varela - 06 May 2009 01:52 GMT
> So what do you call those cardboard boxes with the tap?

"A cardboard box with a tap."

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