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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009What is the opposite of a college graduate?
What is the opposite of a college graduate? Is it a non-college graduate? Is it a non-college-graduate? Much more often than not, in situations like this one, involving lots of two-word phrases, not just "college graduate", the first answer is the one that is used. But it seems to refer to a graduate of a non-college. The second seems more logical but I don't think I ever see it. This question comes up also with some prefixes otehr than non-.  SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years > What is the opposite of a college graduate? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This question comes up also with some prefixes otehr than non-. Depending on what exactly education level the person in question has, I would use the highest attained to describe them. If they attended college, but did not graduate, I'd use "college non-graduate". Otherwise, I'd say "high-school graduate" (or whatever highest school they graduated from - middle, elementary, kindergarten etc.). SignatureYou'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. >> What is the opposite of a college graduate? >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Otherwise, I'd say "high-school graduate" (or whatever highest school >they graduated from - middle, elementary, kindergarten etc.). You know, you don't have to do it that way. You can write "He did not attend college". Usually, when the person being referred to did not complete a degree program, the phrasing is "He attended college". Also, the opposite of "a college graduate" is "not a college graduate". Simple. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> What is the opposite of a college graduate? >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Also, the opposite of "a college graduate" is "not a college >graduate". Simple. Thank you for your replies. This comes up a lot with a lot of different words. Today was just the latest time and this time the words were college graduate. I've seen other examples in print quite a bit, when others do this, where I think it might even be standard terminology, but the way it was written looked wrong. I'm asking whether there should be one hypen or two. So for the sake of my desires, can we assume I want to use non- as a prefix for two words, and I want to know the best way to do it. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >>>> What is the opposite of a college graduate? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >So for the sake of my desires, can we assume I want to use non- as a >prefix for two words, and I want to know the best way to do it. If so, then I would write "non-college-graduate". Reluctantly. A "non-college graduate" is a graduate of something other than a college in my view. Even this presents difficulties. For example, John is a graduate of the Orlando Barber College and never attended a university. Is he still a "non-college graduate"? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida > Even this presents difficulties. For example, John is a graduate of > the Orlando Barber College and never attended a university. Is he > still a "non-college graduate"? That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, not of the semantics of "college graduate." You wouldn't have any difficulty deciding whether a poison-ivy-covered house was ivy-covered, would you? ¬R >> Even this presents difficulties. For example, John is a graduate of >> the Orlando Barber College and never attended a university. Is he >> still a "non-college graduate"? > >That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, Well, is it? There's a program, a process of learning, tests to be passed, and a piece of paper at the end that indicates successful completion. There's even accreditation: "A barber school or hair design school can be accredited by the National Accrediting Commission for Cosmetology Arts and Sciences (NACCAS). In addition to the NACCAS, the Accrediting Council for Continued Education and Training (ACCET) and the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT) may also serve as accrediting parties". A barber college meets dictionary.com's definition #3 of "college": 3. an institution for vocational, technical, or professional instruction, as in medicine, pharmacy, agriculture, or music, often a part of a university. So...is John a college graduate? You can say he is not a university graduate, but can you deny him "college graduate"? >not of the semantics of "college graduate." Isn't it? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida ><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, >Well, is it? I didn't say it was an easy question. If it were, I would have given the easy answer. >A barber college meets dictionary.com's definition #3 of "college": >3. an institution for vocational, technical, or professional >instruction, as in medicine, pharmacy, agriculture, or music, often a >part of a university. I'm not sure it does, given the examples listed in the definition. Colleges in those fields generally have university-level programs. M-W gives a separate definition with a more pertinent examples: >e: an institution offering instruction usually in a professional, >vocational, or technical field <business college> So maybe the easy answer is yes. >>not of the semantics of "college graduate." >Isn't it? Is it? Would you expect many people to give different answers to whether a barber college is a college and whether its alumni are college graduates? ¬R Blood is useless, outside its original container. http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/davidcar.html --Don Rauf >><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >a barber college is a college and whether its alumni are college >graduates? Interesting qustions. What do you think of the practice of veterinarians introducing themselves as a doctor. Don't know how common this is but I've seen it a couple times in the last several years. Either saying "I'm Doctor Smith" or "What do you do for a living?" "I'm a doctor........... a veterinarian." >¬R Blood is useless, outside its original container. >http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/davidcar.html --Don Rauf SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >>><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>>>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > last several years. Either saying "I'm Doctor Smith" or "What do you > do for a living?" "I'm a doctor........... a veterinarian." M-WCD11th doctor ... 2a: a person skilled or specializing in the healing arts (as a physician, dentist, or veterinarian) who holds an advanced degree and is licensed to practice. >>>><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>>>>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> last several years. Either saying "I'm Doctor Smith" or "What do you >> do for a living?" "I'm a doctor........... a veterinarian." That is, there was a substantial pause between the two parts of the sentence. >M-WCD11th >doctor ... 2a: a person skilled or specializing in the healing arts (as a >physician, dentist, or veterinarian) who holds an advanced degree and is >licensed to practice. I don't know of any dentist who would say, "I'm a doctor". Or any other non-physician, except recently, 2 or 3 veterinarians. My "I'm Doctor Smith" example I didn't put in context, but it wasn't when registering at a convention or even a hotel, where one is expected, and it wasn't in their office. I can't remember details, but it seemed misleading. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >>>>><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>>>>>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > That is, there was a substantial pause between the two parts of the > sentence. Maybe he didn't want to be confused with a PhD, an LLD, or a JD >>M-WCD11th >>doctor ... 2a: a person skilled or specializing in the healing arts (as a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't know of any dentist who would say, "I'm a doctor". Or any > other non-physician, except recently, 2 or 3 veterinarians. How many dentist do you know? A dentist is a "D D S." He/she can called him/herself whatever pleases his ego. > My "I'm Doctor Smith" example I didn't put in context, but it wasn't > when registering at a convention or even a hotel, where one is > expected, and it wasn't in their office. I can't remember details, but > it seemed misleading. I suspect a veterinarian with an advanced degree is a "D V S." His assistants are probably "common" veterinarians >>>>>><NotR@bestweb.net> wrote: >>>>>>>That's just a question of whether a barber college is a college, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >Maybe he didn't want to be confused with a PhD, an LLD, or a JD Those are other people who wouldn't introdcued themselves by saying, "I'm a doctor". Even college professors who get addressed as Dr. So-and-so at many schools wouldn't do so. >>>M-WCD11th >>>doctor ... 2a: a person skilled or specializing in the healing arts (as a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >How many dentist do you know? My father for starters. Plus the many dentists I've seen along the way. But I excepted what one might say in his own office. If a dentist in a lab coat were to come up to me in his office and say, "I'm Dr. Molar", I'd know he was a dentist. >A dentist is a "D D S." He/she can called him/herself whatever pleases his >ego. Many dentists are D.D.S. My father, for example. I know what it stands for. If we want to go by ego, I might introduce myself, "I am His Majesty, MM". >> My "I'm Doctor Smith" example I didn't put in context, but it wasn't >> when registering at a convention or even a hotel, where one is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I suspect a veterinarian with an advanced degree is a "D V S." His >assistants are probably "common" veterinarians I've never heard of a distinction in veterinarian degrees, but maybe there is one. On the other hand, without some veterinarian degree, I don't think one can properly be called a veterinarian. An "assistant" would be okay. Law schools have awarded both LL.B and J.D.** degrees, which mean the same thing, but I hadn't heard of any other degree that is given to veterinarians. **J.D. stands for jockey of disks, but laywers use it for some reason. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years [snip] > My father for starters. Plus the many dentists I've seen along the > way. But I excepted what one might say in his own office. If a > dentist in a lab coat were to come up to me in his office and say, > "I'm Dr. Molar", I'd know he was a dentist. How do you know he's not a veterinarian or an imposter (like Tony Curtis or Leonardo DiCaprio)? >[snip] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How do you know he's not a veterinarian or an imposter (like Tony Curtis or >Leonardo DiCaprio)? I don't. My gosh. This must account for why things went so badly last time. I'll be more careful from now on. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years > What is the opposite of a college graduate? undergraduate See? More information is needed. GFH >> What is the opposite of a college graduate? > >undergraduate > >See? More information is needed. You're right. >GFH I just came across another similar phrase today: Non-US resident alien. Is that a resident alien living some place other than the US? SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years > What is the opposite of a college graduate? > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Brooklyn, NY 12 years > Baltimore 26 years It is a non-college graduate. > > What is the opposite of a college graduate? > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It is a non-college graduate. How about "a college nongraduate"? Bill in Kentucky ---------------------------------------------------------------- Reverse parts of the user name and ISP name for my e-address >>> What is the opposite of a college graduate? >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > How about "a college nongraduate"? As I wrote earlier in this thread, this suggests someone who attended college, but did not graduate. SignatureYou'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. >>>> What is the opposite of a college graduate? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > As I wrote earlier in this thread, this suggests someone who >attended college, but did not graduate. I went to a school that has so many non-graduates, that the university magaizine and other publications refer to John Doe, BS-72; Mary Roe, JD-72, and Felix Roh, X-72. The latter means he was in the class of 72 but dropped out before graduating. Do any other schools do this? 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