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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009let's discuss "bastard"
This pertains to USA usage. An example: John and Jane are not married to anyone. Both are single. John and Jane have sexual intercourse. John impregnates Jane. They immediately get legally married to each other. A few months later, the baby is born. John and Jane are still married to each other at the time of the baby's birth. Would that baby be considered a "bastard"...? Thank you.... Lee >This pertains to USA usage. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Would that baby be considered a "bastard"...? I am not an American lawyer - I am not any sort of lawyer. As far as I know, if the parents are married at the time of the birth the child is legitimate (not a bastard). The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) says: bastard, n. and a. One begotten and born out of wedlock; an illegitimate or natural child. By the civil and canon laws, a child born out of wedlock is legitimated by the subsequent marriage of his parents; but by the law of England, retained in some of the United States, a child to be legitimate must at least be born after the marriage of the parents.  SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>This pertains to USA usage. >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > be legitimate must at least be born after the marriage of the > parents. I don't know why I mention this. Just ftr I guess. It is canon law, church law, and doesn't relate to Jews. The word mamzer, which is often translated bastard because the meaning is somewhat similar, only refers to children who are born because of incest or adultery. There is no special name, etc. for children of unmarried parents, or married parents, and no distinction legally wrt, for example, inheritance, etc. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years > This pertains to USA usage. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thank you.... Lee The birth would be considered premature. > <carken...@juno.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Illegitimacy has no real meaning now. But when it did: no, that child was born to a married couple and is not a bastard. In this instance, American law is based on English law (going way back), and English law is the same. If the couple has gone through a marriage ceremony before the baby is born, the baby is legitimate. And there used to be a lot of eight-pound premature babies... >Illegitimacy has no real meaning now. But when it did: no, that >child was born to a married couple and is not a bastard. In this >instance, American law is based on English law (going way back), and >English law is the same. If the couple has gone through a marriage >ceremony before the baby is born, the baby is legitimate. Also true if the mother marries someone else before the baby is born. Signature************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@cox.net) ************* * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps * > Illegitimacy has no real meaning now. But when it did: no, that > child was born to a married couple and is not a bastard. When I was a kid, on my grandmother's farm there was a family living in the water tankhouse with a kid whom she (and others) called "Johnny the Bastard". This was meant to distinguish him from "Uncle Johnny". Oddly enough it was the only time my grandmother used the term "bastard" because when she swore, she used the sound-alike "basset" instead. Since Johnny had creamy caramel colored skin and I didn't know what a bastard was, but I did know what custard was, I assumed that he was called a bastard because of his nice-looking skin. |
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