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Discussion Groups / English Usage / May 2009upatra burd.
My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is the meaning? I know the word "burd" which is a 'bird' = lassie, but upatra? If you know the answer, please tell me. Arne H. Wilstrup Denmark >My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is the >meaning? I know the word "burd" which is a 'bird' = lassie, but upatra? >If you know the answer, please tell me. If that from the sketch in the Stanley Baxter show "upatra burd's"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rgETg2Hoo I guessed that it might mean "up at the bird's" - at the girlfriend's home. I found another use of "upatra" which seems to confirm this: http://www.highlandleague.net/doric.cfm?regionalID=106 This is about football (soccer) Alec Grant, who went strayt tae Aiburdein F. C. at taudrie staidyum, but couldnae maik ra graid und endid upatra Lanark yoonitit joonyurs. which I think means: Alec Grant, who went straight to Aberdeen F. C. at Pittodrie Stadium, but could not make the grade and ended up at the Lanark United juniors.  SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >If that from the sketch in the Stanley Baxter show "upatra burd's"? Is ... SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If that from the sketch in the Stanley Baxter show "upatra burd's"? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rgETg2Hoo it is. > I guessed that it might mean "up at the bird's" - at the girlfriend's > home. You're probably right - I will confine myself to this conception. > I found another use of "upatra" which seems to confirm this: > http://www.highlandleague.net/doric.cfm?regionalID=106 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Stadium, but could not make the grade and ended up at the Lanark > United juniors. Interesting - thank you for the information. It seems to confirm it. > but couldnae maik ra graid und endid upatra Lanark yoonitit > joonyurs. Interesting. I had read the "tr" as "ch" and thought it was "up at your," but this sketch makes it clear that "ra" is with a trilled "r": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpVD5-IKAIo "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" ¬R "I love Blip just because it's the absolute opposite of fun" http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/travelog/19990710.html --Kibo > "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" A tomato has fallen from the barrow? Just suggesting - Arne H. Wilstrup Denmark. >"Glenn Knickerbocker" <NotR@bestweb.net> skrev >> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >A tomato has fallen from the barrow? Precisely. >> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" > > A tomato has fallen from the barrow? > > Just suggesting - A tomato's tumbled out of the barrel. >>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A tomato's tumbled out of the barrel. I didn't know that there is such a word in English "tumble", but now I suddenly remember that there is a negro spiritual with a sentence like "...came atumbeling down" or something like that - but I am not sure. >>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >suddenly remember that there is a negro spiritual with a sentence like >"...came atumbeling down" or something like that - but I am not sure. There are many uses of the word "tumble". See Encarta: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1 861722429 SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >suddenly remember that there is a negro spiritual with a sentence like >"...came atumbeling down" or something like that - but I am not sure. That would be "Joshua Fit* the Battle of Jericho" ("and the walls came tumbling down"). *=Fought SignatureIan >>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tumbling down"). > *=Fought Oops! I am a bit late, but you and Arne can practice patience and tolerance with my posts. >>>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Oops! I am a bit late, but you and Arne can practice patience and >tolerance with my posts. You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember > Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? Well, there you go. Short term memory is the first to go. Er. . ."Pledging their love to the ground" was always a bit weird, in my CW days. "See them tumbling down" was also kind of strange. > You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember > Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? Fine for the 4% of the world that lives in America. >> You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember >> Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? > >Fine for the 4% of the world that lives in America. I'm quite sure that Pat is 100% in America. SignatureTony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember >Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? Indeed. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac> What about "Jack and Jill went up the hill To fetch a pail of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown And Jill came tumbling after." SignatureIan >>>>>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Jack fell down and broke his crown > And Jill came tumbling after." I gave up on that rhyme because in the US the attempt to rhyme "after" with "water" was too great a stretch. But the melody lingers on! >>>>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >You could have offered "Tumbling Tumbleweeds". You do remember >Saturday morning oaters and The Sons of the Pioneers, don't you? I hope LFS isn't reading this. That gave even me a touch of STS. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England >>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tumbling down"). > *=Fought Oh, ýes, now I remember - thank you. >>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > suddenly remember that there is a negro spiritual with a sentence like > "...came atumbeling down" or something like that - but I am not sure. I think that lyric is from "Joshua Fit the battle of Jericho". One verse ends "and the walls come atumbelin' down." But tumbledown is a legitimate progression from verb to modifier. A tumbledown house is a shack that doesn't seem likely to withstand the next strong wind. Or maybe it has tumbled a couple of times and has been reconstructed, with guy wires and props and boarded-up windows. >>>>> "A tamarra's tummul-tootra barra!" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > next strong wind. Or maybe it has tumbled a couple of times and has > been reconstructed, with guy wires and props and boarded-up windows. I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO ASSIST MY SHORT/LONG TERM MEMORY! :-) >A tomato's tumbled out of the barrel. Nope, it's a barrow. See: http://maps.google.com/?q=barras+market ¬R "The Home Shopping Network is the New Jersey of Drugs" http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/engel.html --marika5000 >> A tomato's tumbled out of the barrel. > > Nope, it's a barrow. See: http://maps.google.com/?q=barras+market > > ¬R "The Home Shopping Network is the New Jersey of Drugs" > http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/engel.html --marika5000 Of course it's "barrow". My mistake. >>A tomato's tumbled out of the barrel. > >Nope, it's a barrow. See: http://maps.google.com/?q=barras+market > >¬R "The Home Shopping Network is the New Jersey of Drugs" >http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/engel.html --marika5000 While the original text indeed says "barra", tomatoes don't tumble OUT OF a barrow? Surely they would "tummul arffa a barra"? SignatureIan > While the original text indeed says "barra", tomatoes don't tumble OUT > OF a barrow? I'm guessing from the laugh that there's some anatomical double-entendre at work that I don't get, perhaps related to Clara's melons. ¬R >>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is the >>meaning? I know the word "burd" which is a 'bird' = lassie, but upatra? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Stadium, but could not make the grade and ended up at the Lanark > United juniors. Is it true that Robert Burns wrote in standard English, and hired a Scotsman to translate it back to the Scottish dialect? SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >>>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>>the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Is it true that Robert Burns wrote in standard English, and hired a > Scotsman to translate it back to the Scottish dialect? I think it's a rumour - I have never seen any documentation for this, but if there is it will probably arouse a roar of problems, just as it aroused problems when the rumour went that Shakespeare didn't write his own works -somebody else did. >>>>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>>>the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >I think it's a rumour - I have never seen any documentation for this, Dang. I just made it up. I don't think it's even a rumor, unless you've heard it before. I'm sorry. >but if there is it will probably arouse a roar of problems, just as it >aroused problems when the rumour went that Shakespeare didn't write his >own works -somebody else did. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I have lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 10 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years >My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is the >meaning? I know the word "burd" which is a 'bird' = lassie, but upatra? >If you know the answer, please tell me. See: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rgETg2Hoo> SignatureIan >>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > See: > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0rgETg2Hoo> I know the sketch as it is the one I am referring to, but it doesn't answer my question. Duncanson has, however, solved the problem for which I am grateful. >>>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>>the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >answer my question. Duncanson has, however, solved the problem for which >I am grateful. Yes, I saw that he had replied before me - and with lots of suggestions. By coincidence, this morning, a link was given to the same video in rec.radio.amateur. SignatureIan >>>>My last question about a Scots expression is "upatra burd" - what is >>>>the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > suggestions. By coincidence, this morning, a link was given to the > same video in rec.radio.amateur. I didn't mean to be rude at all - so I thank you of course for your contribution. Arne H. Wilstrup Denmark |
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