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mm - 21 Jun 2009 21:44 GMT
On a Sunday morning news show today, Bill Bennett said that Obama is
"uniquely qualified" to urge young men to be good fathers, becaues he
is an excellent husband and father.

Does Bill know what unique means?  Does he think Obama is the only
good father?  The only good father in Washington.  The only good
father who's a black man? (That would apply if he thinks that all the
absentee fathers are black.)  but I think he just doesn't know what
uniquely means.
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Robert Lieblich - 21 Jun 2009 22:19 GMT
> On a Sunday morning news show today, Bill Bennett said that Obama is
> "uniquely qualified" to urge young men to be good fathers, becaues he
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> absentee fathers are black.)  but I think he just doesn't know what
> uniquely means.

Perhaps Bennett thought it unnecessary to point out a third
qualification that does make Obama unique among fathers (indeed, all
people) and enables him to urge, with unique persuasiveness, that
young men be good fathers.

Can you guess what it is?

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tony cooper - 21 Jun 2009 22:51 GMT
>On a Sunday morning news show today, Bill Bennett said that Obama is
>"uniquely qualified" to urge young men to be good fathers, becaues he
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>absentee fathers are black.)  but I think he just doesn't know what
>uniquely means.

Obama's qualifications are unique.  He is the only person in the
United States who can offer advice as the seated President.

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Eric Walker - 22 Jun 2009 02:16 GMT
>>On a Sunday morning news show today, Bill Bennett said that Obama is
>>"uniquely qualified" to urge young men to be good fathers, becaues he is
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> Obama's qualifications are unique.  He is the only person in the United
> States who can offer advice as the seated President.

Assuredly so, but--based on the OP's rendition of what was said--that
qualification does not seem to be among the ones considered germane.  
More likely the use was simply a slip, one ever easier to make in an era
when "fairly unique" and its close kin are ever more become commonplaces.

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tony cooper - 22 Jun 2009 03:11 GMT
>>>On a Sunday morning news show today, Bill Bennett said that Obama is
>>>"uniquely qualified" to urge young men to be good fathers, becaues he is
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>More likely the use was simply a slip, one ever easier to make in an era
>when "fairly unique" and its close kin are ever more become commonplaces.

The OP's rendition is irrelevant.  The OP can imagine any number of
things that Bennett may have had in mind, but only Bennett's rendition
is relevant.  All we know of that is two words, and those two words
apply to Obama.

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Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

Eric Walker - 22 Jun 2009 08:23 GMT
[...]

>>Assuredly so, but--based on the OP's rendition of what was said--that
>>qualification does not seem to be among the ones considered germane.
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> is relevant.  All we know of that is two words, and those two words
> apply to Obama.

The OP said: "Bill Bennett said that Obama is 'uniquely qualified' to
urge young men to be good fathers, because he is an excellent husband and
father."  Presumably the "because he is an excellent husband and father"
is a rendition of what Bennett *said*, not what he might have been
thinking.

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tony cooper - 22 Jun 2009 14:06 GMT
>[...]
>
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>is a rendition of what Bennett *said*, not what he might have been
>thinking.

We don't know that, do we?  Delete "because" from the OP's rendition
and the "uniquely qualified" becomes a legitimate claim.

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Eric Walker - 23 Jun 2009 03:39 GMT
>>[...]
>>
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> We don't know that, do we?  Delete "because" from the OP's rendition and
> the "uniquely qualified" becomes a legitimate claim.

Why delete it?  It's what he wrote in presenting what Bennett said.

OK, I decided to look it up (http://transcripts.cnn.com/
TRANSCRIPTS/0906/21/sotu.03.html)--here is the exact transcript:

 "But what he is saying there is pater, the one who takes care, takes
 responsibility.

 "By the way, he is almost uniquely suited to speak to this. He seems,
 by all accounts, not seems, is a fine husband and fine father."

So in the end, it doesn't matter, owing to the "almost".

(I suspect that a better print rendition of his words would be "He seems,
by all accounts--not seems, _is_--a fine husband and fine father," just
for the sake of it's making sense.)

By the bye, are we to the stage where being a fine husband and fine
father is a status almost unique?

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contrex - 23 Jun 2009 08:07 GMT
> OK, I decided to look it up (http://transcripts.cnn.com/
>
>   "By the way, he is almost uniquely suited to speak to this.

Thank you. I had been wondering overnight whether "placed" would have
been better than "qualified". In passing I mention that I perceive
"speak to" to be an almost uniquely AmE usage.

> By the bye, are we to the stage where being a fine husband and fine
> father is a status almost unique?

Never in the world! We may, however, be *at* the stage, (surely?*)
when being a fine husband and fine father and POTUS is a status
definitely unique.

*Have you been reading Patrick O'Brian recently?
Eric Walker - 23 Jun 2009 10:42 GMT
[...]

>> By the bye, are we to the stage where being a fine husband and fine
>> father is a status almost unique?
>
> Never in the world! We may, however, be *at* the stage, (surely?*) when
> being a fine husband and fine father and POTUS is a status definitely
> unique.

As elsewhere noted, merely the last suffices for uniqueness.


> *Have you been reading Patrick O'Brian recently?

I have always expressed the thought with the phrase "to the stage",
though of course being aware of "at the stage".  It is, I suppose,
elliptical for (in this use) "are we come to the stage".  Mere "to the
stage"--where "stage" signifies "state" or "status"--is not in itself an  
exceptional or exceptionable usage (as in "[T]he purpose of school is to
bring you to the stage where you can function without a school").  Surely
if one can be brought to a stage, once there one could say "I am now come
to this stage."

(Mind, that may set off klaxons amongst those who don't like "be" in
place of "have" as an auxiliary, despite both "our guests are gone" and
"our guests have gone"--which demonstrate the slight shading of meaning
that the two auxiliaries allow--being sound and idiomatic English.)

My wife is an inveterate fan of O'Brien's, but I have never read a word
of him.

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contrex - 23 Jun 2009 16:14 GMT
> (Mind, that may set off klaxons amongst those who don't like "be" in
> place of "have" as an auxiliary, despite both "our guests are gone" and
> "our guests have gone"--which demonstrate the slight shading of meaning
> that the two auxiliaries allow--being sound and idiomatic English.)

It sets off nothing but applause where I am concerned.

> My wife is an inveterate fan of O'Brien's, but I have never read a word
> of him.

O'Brian with an 'a' if you mean the writer whose phantom is
(hopefully) striding the quarter-deck of a certain frigate.
Eric Walker - 24 Jun 2009 01:01 GMT
[...]

>> My wife is an inveterate fan of O'Brien's, but I have never read a word
>> of him.
>
> O'Brian with an 'a' if you mean the writer whose phantom is (hopefully)
> striding the quarter-deck of a certain frigate.

Yes, that's the one.  Why can't these fellows spell their names correctly?

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http://owlcroft.com/english/

Marshall Price - 03 Jul 2009 01:44 GMT
> [...]
>
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> is a rendition of what Bennett *said*, not what he might have been
> thinking.

  He probably meant "obliquely qualified".

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