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Discussion Groups / English Usage / July 2009Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?
"Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1909420,00.html?xid=rss- health  SignatureCordially, Eric Walker, Owlcroft House http://owlcroft.com/english/ > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that > title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: > > http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1909420,00.html?xid=rss- > health The only thing I know about that one can do it smoke. No, I am not recommending smoking, but very few smokers get Alzheimers. Why? I do not know, but the statistics are compelling. GFH In message <d15201e6-84a6-44ad-9195-2e0c012e08b3@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, GFH <georgeh@ankerstein.org> writes >> "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that >> title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >recommending smoking, but very few smokers get Alzheimers. Why? >I do not know, but the statistics are compelling. Could it be that, before they get old enough to start showing the signs of Alzheimers', many have died of smoking-related diseases? SignatureIan On Jul 12, 9:54 am, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjack...@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message > <d15201e6-84a6-44ad-9195-2e0c012e0...@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, GFH [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Could it be that, before they get old enough to start showing the signs > of Alzheimers', many have died of smoking-related diseases? No, that influence was taken into account. Tobacco contains about 2,500 biologically active alkaloids. No investigations have bee undertaking (that I know about), but the statistics are hard to ignore. Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's right, lower) than non-smoker. New England Journal of Medicine. I know -- a right wing publication. GFH GFH > Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's > right, lower) > than non-smoker. New England Journal of Medicine. I know -- a right > wing > publication. That would be because they die young and relatively swiftly, missing the chronic diseases, joint replacements, and transplants of old age. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >> Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's >> right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the chronic diseases, joint replacements, and transplants of old >age. Not quite all of them. SignatureRobin (BrE) Herts, England > > Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's > > right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the chronic diseases, joint replacements, and transplants of old > age. Even if you were correct, you would have to admit that smoking reduces health care costs. GFH >>> Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's >>> right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Even if you were correct, you would have to admit that smoking > reduces health care costs. Nonsense. It reduces health care costs for a certain age range. On average, smokers don't attain the age where health care costs start to rise significantly. http://www.kaisernetwork.org/Daily_Reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=50256 : Obese individuals had the highest health care costs from age 20 to 56, and obese individuals and smokers had a higher rate of heart disease than healthy individuals, the study found. However, the study found that obese individuals and smokers had lower lifetime health care costs than healthy individuals because they died earlier. SignatureDavid > >>> Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's > >>> right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > average, smokers don't attain the age where health care costs start to > rise significantly. My father has managed to make it to 79 despite smoking for over 40 years (he gave up in his 60s). His health care costs must be enormous by now. He has oxygen night and day, about 20 tablets per day including morphine, plus inhalers and nebulisers, a special bed and a machine to reduce his sleep apnoea. Plus visits every few days from the district nurse/hospice nurse/community matron/GP/physiotherapist. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary [...] > Nonsense. It reduces health care costs for a certain age range. On > average, smokers don't attain the age where health care costs start to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > obese individuals and smokers had lower lifetime health care costs than > healthy individuals because they died earlier. Just so. I am under the impression that total-lifetime costs were what was being referred to. Ah, yes, here: "smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% . . . lower". SignatureCordially, Eric Walker, Owlcroft House http://owlcroft.com/english/ Eric Walker filted: >[...] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >was being referred to. Ah, yes, here: "smokers' lifetime health care >costs are about 80% . . . lower". That's because they can deduct the value of the coupons on the backs of the packets....r SignatureA pessimist sees the glass as half empty. An optometrist asks whether you see the glass more full like this?...or like this? > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > was being referred to. Ah, yes, here: "smokers' lifetime health care > costs are about 80% . . . lower". Which is why I wrote, "Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's right, lower) than non-smokers." Men's lifetime health care costs are about 80% of women's. Female smokers and male non- smokers are about the same. Male smokers are the cheapest; female non- smokers are the most costly. And this NEJM report did not take into consideration other factors, such as Social Security and pension costs (or, with luck, savings). The present administration has said it will fund only medical care which has a positive outcome. Aging does not. GFH >>>> Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's >>>> right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > obese individuals and smokers had lower lifetime health care costs than > healthy individuals because they died earlier. On the other hand, smokers more than pay their way through the obscene taxes on tobacco products. SignatureRob Bannister > > > Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's > > > right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > GFH So does beheading. > > > Actually, smokers' lifetime health care costs are about 80% (that's > > > right, lower) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > reduces > health care costs. ??? I wasn't arguing with you, I was offering an explanation. SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >> "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that >> title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > recommending smoking, but very few smokers get Alzheimers. Why? > I do not know, but the statistics are compelling. Not according to BBC News: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/115829.stm Or The Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article3758089.ece Or WebMD: http://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/news/20080416/drinking-smoking-up-early-alzheimers Or even <shudder> the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-264296/Alzheimers-risk-tripled-smoking.html SignatureDavid >> "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that >> title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >GFH How many die prematurely from one of the many complications caused by smoking before they have a chance to get the disease, I might ask. SignatureRegards, Chuck Riggs, who speaks AmE, lives near Dublin, Ireland and usually spells in BrE On Jul 11, 8:48�pm, Eric Walker <em...@owlcroft.com> quoted: > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" � I don't know, but I'm almost certain that Alzheimer can ward off language skills. > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of > that title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: > http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1909420,00.html?xid=rss- > health This is bad news for the writer of the headline, where the form used (nuns' study) is not only wrong -- the nuns were the ones studied, not the ones who performed the study -- but longer than the better form used in the article (nun study). For no general reason I can come up with, "nuns' study" seems to be an obligatory subjective genitive. Sorry about the spaces. I can no other. > > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of > > that title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Sorry about the spaces. I can no other. Actually it's "A Nuns' Study" which I don't get at all, whereas Nuns Studied would work fine for me. >> > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of >> > that title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Actually it's "A Nuns' Study" which I don't get at all, whereas Nuns >Studied would work fine for me. It's a sort of genitive. "Nuns'" = "of Nuns". "A Nuns' Study" = "A Study of Nuns". But I don't like it, at all. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that > title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cordially, > Eric Walker, Owlcroft Househttp://owlcroft.com/english/ If we take Terry Pratchett as reference, apparently not. > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that > title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: Now that we all have had fun, let me be serious. This concept goes back to the classic nuns' essay study. The postulants had to write essays as part of their "promotion" to "novice". Many decades later these essays were compared with the development of senile dementia. There was a strong correlation between low language skills on these early essays and the development of dementia decades later. To the best of my knowledge, there has not been another such study. It takes close to 100 years to run. I hope that it is being done now. Keep English Composition 101 essays; correlate them with senile dementia 60+ years later. GFH >> "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that >> title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >English Composition 101 essays; correlate them >with senile dementia 60+ years later. How did Iris Murdoch and Terry Pratchett do? SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that > > title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > GFH And I'm just wondering how might ¨¨procedural memory, or declarative memory¨¨ have featured in the apparent quality of the essays involved? (¨¨ post on memory for grammar) > "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that > title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: Apparently not in the case of Walter Cronkite. >> "Can Language Skills Ward Off Alzheimer's?" From the article of that >> title in _Time_ magazine, very possibly so: > > Apparently not in the case of Walter Cronkite. Evidence? Support? I understand that he died "after a long illness" at age 92, but at 82 he was in good form on the lecture circuit. > Evidence? Support? > > I understand that he died "after a long illness" at age 92, but at 82 he > was in good form on the lecture circuit. His family said he died of dementia. Simply do a Google News search on Cronkite and dementia and see for yourself. On Jul 19, 3:29 pm, "Pat Durkin" <durk...@sbc.com> wrote: > Evidence? Support? > > I understand that he died "after a long illness" at age 92, but at 82 > he > was in good form on the lecture circuit. David: His family said he died of dementia. Simply do a Google News search on Cronkite and dementia and see for yourself. Pat: You mentioned something that is not commonly known, and should have posted your authority. Alzheimer's and senile dementia are not synonymous. This morning an ABC channel showed him talking about the Iraq war. Apparently he was a regular guest commentator on "Retirement Living". > You mentioned something that is not commonly known, and should have > posted your authority. No, it was quite clear from nearly every news story. I heard it first on ABC Radio news, then saw it in every news story I read. It was not some hidden or arcane fact. His son, Chip mentioned it immediately. > Alzheimer's and senile dementia are not synonymous. I realize that, and I suppose I should have drawn the distinction (brain rot versus artery clogging), but the result is the same: people get dementia even though they are well-read and active thinkers. > This morning an ABC > channel showed him talking about the Iraq war. Apparently he was a > regular guest commentator on "Retirement Living". It was a fast slide, as senility often is. |
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