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mm - 24 Jul 2009 05:54 GMT
How many syllables in vacuum?

I'm watching a Hitchcock episode from 1956 and I wonder if the
pronunciation there was unusual even then.
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contrex - 24 Jul 2009 07:21 GMT
> How many syllables in vacuum?

I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um
Athel Cornish-Bowden - 24 Jul 2009 15:35 GMT
>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>
> I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um

I say it as your father does, albeit with a pretty indistinct middle syllable.
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Leslie Danks - 24 Jul 2009 16:00 GMT
>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>
>> I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um
>
> I say it as your father does, albeit with a pretty indistinct middle
> syllable.

That's how I say it, too.

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mm - 24 Jul 2009 17:00 GMT
>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>
>I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um

Yes, that's how she said it in the Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode.

But so many actors and actresses spoke that fancy theatrical dialect
then, including her, that I wasn't sure.  I guess I haven't heard more
than 2 syllables for decades, vac-cume.

BTW, what accent did Hitchcock himself have?  He was born in England,
but it never sounded English.

Thanks all,
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Athel Cornish-Bowden - 24 Jul 2009 17:48 GMT
>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>
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> BTW, what accent did Hitchcock himself have?  He was born in England,
> but it never sounded English.

It''s been a while since I heard him, but my recollection is that his
accent was north of England overlaid with American.

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Mudge - 24 Jul 2009 17:35 GMT
>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>
> I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um

And your father is quite correct - how do you say aluminium ?

"al you min ee um" or "ah loo min um"

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 24 Jul 2009 18:57 GMT
>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>"al you min ee um" or "ah loo min um"

That reminds me:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8153596.stm

   Discovered 13 years ago, and officially added to the periodic table
   just weeks ago, element 112 finally has a name.
   
   It will be called "copernicium", with the symbol Cp, in honour of
   the astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus.
   ....
   The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) will
   officially endorse the new element's name in six months' time in
   order to give the scientific community "time to discuss the
   suggestion".

I wonder whether American Chemists will want to name it "copernicum"
rather than "copernicium".

http://blogs.nature.com/thescepticalchymist/2009/07/welcome_to_the_periodic_tabl
e.html


   Copernicium (with the middle 'c' pronounced as a 'ts') won’t be
   officially official until the IUPAC has gone through its lengthy
   procedure of checking the name and suggested abbreviation – more of
   which shortly – and making the suggested name known to the public
   for six months.
   
   As for that abbreviation, Hofmann’s suggestion is Cp. This, of
   course, to you chemistry geeks out there, is also a commonly used
   abbreviation for the cyclopentadienyl group (a ring of five carbon
   atoms with five hydrogen atoms).
   
   An alternative would be Cn – but Hofmann is worried that that looks
   a little too much like Cu, which has already been bagsied by copper.

The idea of having "the middle 'c' pronounced as a 'ts'" sounds like
wishful thinking to me.

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HVS - 24 Jul 2009 19:51 GMT
On 24 Jul 2009, Peter Duncanson (BrE) wrote

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> http://blogs.nature.com/thescepticalchymist/2009/07/welcome_to_th
> e_periodic_table.html
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> The idea of having "the middle 'c' pronounced as a 'ts'" sounds
> like wishful thinking to me.

I'm not a scientist, and the articles I read about this didn't say
anything about the pronunciation.

FWIW, I'd have guess "cop-per-nis-ee-um", with emphasis on the
third syllable.

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John Varela - 24 Jul 2009 19:40 GMT
> >> How many syllables in vacuum?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> "al you min ee um" or "ah loo min um"

If I were to say "aluminium" I would pronounce it as five syllables,
but since I never say "aluminium" I don't have to do that.  I do
from time to time say "aluminum" and that has four syllables.

How do you pronounce "continuum"?  (Incidentally, "nuu" is a great
start in Super Ghost.)

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Mudge - 24 Jul 2009 19:50 GMT
>>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>>
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> How do you pronounce "continuum"?  (Incidentally, "nuu" is a great
> start in Super Ghost.)

"Super Ghost" ??

But, I would say "con tin you um"

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John Varela - 24 Jul 2009 21:42 GMT
> >>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
> >>>
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>
> But, I would say "con tin you um"

Ghost is a spelling game that's good with kids in automobiles.  The
"It" names a letter and the other players follow in turn adding
letters until someone spells a word.  Three-letter and shorter words
don't count.  The person who completes a word becomes a "G" and
starts the next word.  Every time a player completes a word he adds
a letter until someone has spelled out "G-H-O-S-T" and that person
is now a ghost.  Living players cannot hear or see ghosts.  If a
player acknowledges the existence of a ghost he adds a letter.  This
keeps the ghosts in the game; with children there must be rules
about what kind of behavior by the ghost is permitted (no hitting,
no pinching, etc.).  If someone adds a letter that apparently does
not lead to a correctly spelled word, the next player can challenge
and then one or the other of them adds a letter.  The last player
alive wins.

Super Ghost is for adults.  The same rules, except that players can
add letters to the front of the word.  This permits clever things to
be done with plurals, suffixes, and prefixes.  It can be very
challenging.  For example, if I hadn't told you about "nuu" and it
was your turn to add or prefix a letter, what would you have done?  
Or try this: "ngh".  Your turn.

Thurber wrote an essay on Super Ghost (he calls it "Superghosts"):
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1951/09/29/1951_09_29_027_TNY_CARDS
_000231926 or http://preview.tinyurl.com/m54e6z

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(game)

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Mudge - 24 Jul 2009 23:12 GMT
> Ghost is a spelling game that's good with kids in automobiles.  The
> "It" names a letter and the other players follow in turn adding
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>
> See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_(game)

Thankew - when driving, I find I am far too busy with traffic and the
other idjuts on the road to play games - but it might be a good game if
you added drinking, wimmen and boozy type drinkies !

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John Varela - 26 Jul 2009 00:49 GMT
> > Ghost is a spelling game that's good with kids in automobiles.  The
> > "It" names a letter and the other players follow in turn adding
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> other idjuts on the road to play games - but it might be a good game if
> you added drinking, wimmen and boozy type drinkies !

Well, actually, we used to do exactly that when I was in college.

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Eric Walker - 25 Jul 2009 02:15 GMT
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> How do you pronounce "continuum"? . . .

Or residuum?

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John Dean - 24 Jul 2009 22:58 GMT
>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>
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>
> "al you min ee um" or "ah loo min um"

'aluminium' is correctly pronounced with five syllables. 'aluminum' is a
different (though related) word and is pronounced with four.
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Mudge - 24 Jul 2009 23:14 GMT
>>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>>
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> 'aluminium' is correctly pronounced with five syllables. 'aluminum' is a
> different (though related) word and is pronounced with four.

Unless you are an Amurrican and say things like aloominum, newkewlar
and howdee !

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Pat Durkin - 25 Jul 2009 00:23 GMT
>>>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>>>
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> Unless you are an Amurrican and say things like aloominum, newkewlar
> and howdee !

"Aloominum" is standard US pronunciation. "Newkewlar" is substandard in
my book, but is widespread enough to be called a variant.  "Howdy"
(stress on first syllable) was my dad's nickname, in addition to being a
common usage in many (usually rural or southern) areas.  As you spell
"howdee", I want to stress both syllables and let out a yell, a la
Minnie Pearl, who will be long remembered. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnie_Pearl  )
John Dean - 25 Jul 2009 01:02 GMT
>>>>> How many syllables in vacuum?
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Unless you are an Amurrican and say things like aloominum, newkewlar
> and howdee !

Americans pronounce the word 'aluminum' like aloominum and they pronounce
'aluminium' (if they ever say it which is rare) as 'aloominium'.
Americans are NOT pronouncing 'aluminium' as aloominum, they are pronouncing
a different word - aluminum.
For the record, though I'm pretty sure we've done this one to death before,
Humphrey Davy discovered the element which has the symbol Al and the atomic
number 13 by identifying the metal base of alum. He called it alumium (no
'n', one 'i') in 1808 [1] but changed his mind and called it aluminum (one
'n', one 'i') in 1812.[2]
However, in that same year a contributor to the Quarterly Review decided
aluminium (one 'n', two 'i's') sounded better.[3]
Americans stuck with the new-fangled word for a while but eventually went
back to 'aluminum' which they use pretty much universally today.
They are NOT mispronouncing 'aluminium', they are sticking with Sir
Humphrey's preferred word. The rest of the world still goes along with the
jackanapes who thought the metal should be aluminium, to keep it in sync
with such as potassium and sodium (but not with such as platinum). We don't
know who this was but we know he had nothing to do with identifying the
element and if he had been reborn any time from 1940 onwards he would be a
prodigious poster here.

OED cites for earliest usages:
[1]  1808 Sir H. Davy in Phil. Trans. XCVIII. 353 Had I been so fortunate
as+to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should
have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and
glucium.

[2] 1812 Sir H. Davy Chem. Philos. I. 355 As yet Aluminum has not been
obtained in a perfectly free state.

[3] 1812 Q. Rev. VIII. 72 Aluminium, for so we shall take the liberty of
writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical
sound.

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Chris R - 25 Jul 2009 10:27 GMT
>> And your father is quite correct - how do you say aluminium ?
>>
>> "al you min ee um" or "ah loo min um"
>
> 'aluminium' is correctly pronounced with five syllables. 'aluminum'
> is a different (though related) word and is pronounced with four.

Not to be confused with the Welsh 'alwminiwm'.

Chris R
Frederick Williams - 25 Jul 2009 13:05 GMT
> > How many syllables in vacuum?
>
> I say vac - yoom but my father (aged 90) says vac - you - um

It was the same with me and my mum.  Now I favour my mum's way.

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Eric Walker - 24 Jul 2009 09:23 GMT
> How many syllables in vacuum? . . .

Three.  And there's an *end* on't.

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 24 Jul 2009 10:38 GMT
>> How many syllables in vacuum? . . .
>
>Three.  And there's an *end* on't.

Speak for you-ur self.

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Eric Walker - 24 Jul 2009 11:04 GMT
>>> How many syllables in vacuum? . . .
>>
>>Three.  And there's an *end* on't.
>
> Speak for you-ur self.

I did.  As it happens, I also, I believe, spoke for a lot of other folk,
but that can be verified as one pleases. . . .

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