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Caesar Romano - 06 Jan 2010 19:41 GMT
Quoting a news headline:

Wave of retirements speaks to uncertainty about 2010 elections.

The "speaks to" is interesting and has been annoying me for the
several years since it crawled into the popular lexicon.  Does anyone
know where it originated?

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Peter Duncanson (BrE) - 06 Jan 2010 19:51 GMT
>Quoting a news headline:
>
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>several years since it crawled into the popular lexicon.  Does anyone
>know where it originated?

No.

The OED has it as an obsolete sense. It may have been revived or
reinvented.

   14. speak to.

   f. To give (or {obs}constitute) evidence regarding (a thing); to
      attest, bear testimony to.
   
   1624 BP. R. MONTAGU Immed. Addr. 201 [These] speake indeed to the
   practise since it was in beginning.

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Pete - 12 Jan 2010 00:36 GMT
>>The "speaks to" is interesting and has been annoying me for the
>>several years since it crawled into the popular lexicon.  Does anyone
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> The OED has it as an obsolete sense. It may have been revived or
> reinvented.

People of my grandparents' generation were still using it in the '60s.

Stewie Griffin - the baby in Family Guy, who speaks in a plummy English
accent apparently based on Rex Harrison's - used the expression a year or
so ago. (I think it was mentioned hereabouts at the time.) Perhaps that has  
led to its being revived.

Peter (UK)
mm - 06 Jan 2010 22:26 GMT
>Quoting a news headline:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>several years since it crawled into the popular lexicon.  Does anyone
>know where it originated?

I think it's decades old, maybe older, but it may have gotten very
popular lately.  Although I haven't noticed that.

Your example is definitely "unnerving", much worse than many other
uses I've seen.   How can a wave speak to uncertainty. How can
retirments speak to uncertainty.  They might remind us of uncertainty,
or be a reason for uncertainty.

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Posters should say where they live, and for which area
they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in
Western Pa.   10 years
Indianapolis   7 years
Chicago          6 years
Brooklyn, NY 12 years
Baltimore       26 years

John Lawler - 07 Jan 2010 03:42 GMT
> >Quoting a news headline:
>
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> Brooklyn, NY 12 years
> Baltimore       26 years

Oh, come on.
Never heard of a metaphor?  -John Lawler *  http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler

All kinds of things can "speak",
metaphorically speaking.

"X speaks to Y", as Peter pointed out, is
centuries old and quite common (though
I'd consider it rather high-register.
English is not spoken by machines, and literal
meaning is almost always the wrong way to
interpret it.  And it's always the wrong way
to figure out what's correct.

-John Lawler   *   http://www.umich.edu/~jlawler
"Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment
 of our intelligence by means of language."
                          -- Ludwig Wittgenstein
mm - 07 Jan 2010 16:47 GMT
>> >Quoting a news headline:
>>
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>All kinds of things can "speak",
>metaphorically speaking.

There are many metaphoric uses of "speak to" that I"m fine with.  I'm
just not sure about this one.  (which is a weaker statement than I
made the first time.)

>"X speaks to Y", as Peter pointed out, is
>centuries old and quite common (though
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>  of our intelligence by means of language."
>                           -- Ludwig Wittgenstein

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Posters should say where they live, and for which area
they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in
Western Pa.   10 years
Indianapolis   7 years
Chicago          6 years
Brooklyn, NY 12 years
Baltimore       26 years

John Varela - 07 Jan 2010 19:53 GMT
> >Quoting a news headline:
> >
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> retirments speak to uncertainty.  They might remind us of uncertainty,
> or be a reason for uncertainty.

It's the "constitutes evidence of" meaning (obsolete according to
OED) that Peter Duncanson quoted.

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