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mm - 09 Jan 2010 23:54 GMT
On NPR, All Things Considered, I think.

France expects to pass a law to make one spouse insulting the other,
too much, illegal...

Consistent verbal abuse is prevalent in French marriages.

How prevalent is it?

Very.  It's in one out of four marriages.

Another word whose meaning has been forgotten.
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Eric Walker - 10 Jan 2010 01:00 GMT
> On NPR, All Things Considered, I think.
>
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>
> Another word whose meaning has been forgotten.

AHD: Widely or commonly occurring, existing, accepted, or practiced.  See
synonyms at 'prevailing'.

"Prevailing" is given with two senses:
1) Most frequent or common
2) Generally current; widespread

I believe the AHD lists senses in chronological order of development, so
even "prevailing" would now seem to mean, as prevalent does, simply
"widespread".

(Their further notes at "prevailing" say: "'Prevalent' suggests
widespread existence or occurrence but does not imply predominance.")

So it is not a word whose meaning has been forgotten, but a word whose
meaning has shifted, rather as dilapidation long since ceased to be
related only to stone buildings.

More annoying, if the original quotation is verbatim, is its failure to
use the genitive ("spouse's") with the gerund ("insulting").

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mm - 10 Jan 2010 03:26 GMT
>> On NPR, All Things Considered, I think.
>>
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>AHD: Widely or commonly occurring, existing, accepted, or practiced.  See
>synonyms at 'prevailing'.

I did look it up.  I don't believe that definition.   :-)  I was
curious if others would.

>"Prevailing" is given with two senses:
>1) Most frequent or common
>2) Generally current; widespread

I don't believe number 2 either.   :-)

>I believe the AHD lists senses in chronological order of development, so
>even "prevailing" would now seem to mean, as prevalent does, simply
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>More annoying, if the original quotation is verbatim, is its failure to

No, the original "quotation" isn't verbatim.  That's why I didn't put
it in quotes.

>use the genitive ("spouse's") with the gerund ("insulting").

Yeah, an argument could surely be made I should have used spouse's.
There is something about this situation that made me want to write it
without the apostrolphe.  Maybe that make me a PKB.
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Robert Lieblich - 10 Jan 2010 16:16 GMT
> >> On NPR, All Things Considered, I think.
> >>
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> I did look it up.  I don't believe that definition.   :-)  I was
> curious if others would.

I didn't know that English usage was a matter of faith. (Or does that
explain the smiley?)  I find it hard to believe (whoops -- I guess it
is a matter of faith) that anyone would reject the quoted AH
definition.

Looking it up really does help.

> >"Prevailing" is given with two senses:
> >1) Most frequent or common
> >2) Generally current; widespread
>
> I don't believe number 2 either.   :-)

Goodness, what do you believe?  The Flying Spaghetti Monster, perhaps?

> >I believe the AHD lists senses in chronological order of development, so
> >even "prevailing" would now seem to mean, as prevalent does, simply
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Yeah, an argument could surely be made I should have used spouse's.

Yeah, right.

> There is something about this situation that made me want to write it
> without the apostrolphe.

You've been around British posters for so long you're starting to
sound like them, innit?

> Maybe that make me a PKB.

Maybe that do.

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