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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2010inferiority
Hi Is there a single English word for failing to reach a lower bound from below? For example, I can say; "This exceeds the maximum size requirement", but I cannot find a single word for; "This <fails to meet> the minimum size requirement", where <fails to meet> would be a single word, and the converse of "exceeds". Thanks, Jeff Higgins > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > where <fails to meet> would be a single word, > and the converse of "exceeds". This misses the minimum size requirement.  SignatureJohn Varela Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email >> Hi >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > This misses the minimum size requirement. Oops, bad example. I'm really looking for an antonym for "exceeds" I think. Here is my real intended usage. if (size > DEFAULT_MAX_SIZE) throw new IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> exceeds DEFAULT_MAX_SIZE"); Here I cannot find a single word for the converse of "exceeds". if (size < DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE) throw new IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> ?exceeds? DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE"); > >> Hi > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > if (size < DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE) throw new > IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> ?exceeds? DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE"); fails? > >> Hi > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > if (size < DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE) throw new > IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> ?exceeds? DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE"); Is the word "declines" sometimes used there, though fro reasons quite beyond my understanding. El Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Jeff Higgins escribió: > Here I cannot find a single word for the converse of "exceeds". FALLS_SHORT_OF SignaturePablo > El Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Jeff Higgins escribió: > >> Here I cannot find a single word for the converse of "exceeds". > > FALLS_SHORT_OF The closest I can think of is "undershoots". Bill in Kentucky >El Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Jeff Higgins escribió: > >> Here I cannot find a single word for the converse of "exceeds". > >FALLS_SHORT_OF If not that, "fallsshortof". SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 7 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years > >El Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Jeff Higgins escribió: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If not that, "fallsshortof". I find that the addition of "...to meet...", ("This <fails to meet> the minimum size requirement"), exceeds requirements. Surely "This fails the minimum size requirement", says it all? >> >El Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:46:52 -0500, Jeff Higgins escribió: >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the minimum size requirement"), exceeds requirements. > Surely "This fails the minimum size requirement", says it all? One of those seems to substitute well for the other except that the ommission of "...to meet..." starts to suggest there was an independent assessment which decided something failed to pass. Gee, Jeff, worry about an error message which will be clear to the end-user. If you can find a single word which will be perfectly clear fine, but please don't sacrifice clarity in order to use a single word. I suppose it's possible that you have a perfectly good reason to want a single word but I can't imagine what it is. As a fellow programmer I would be interested in your reason for wanting a single word. Bob >>> Hi >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > if (size < DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE) throw new > IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> ?exceeds? DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE"); > Gee, Jeff, worry about an error message which will be clear to the end-user. > If you can find a single word which will be perfectly clear fine, but please [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bob Well, thanks for your concern Bob. I have "exceeds", and hoped for its antonym. I think this is a perfectly reasonable wish. Apparently, my German users will have "überschreiten" and "unterschreiten". I'll settle for "greater than" and "less than". >>>> Hi >>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> if (size < DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE) throw new >> IllegalArgumentException("parameter <size> ?exceeds? DEFAULT_MIN_SIZE"); > Hi > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > where <fails to meet> would be a single word, > and the converse of "exceeds". If you find one, let me know. This is a constant PITA when translating from German, which has "überschreiten" for exceed and "unterschreiten" for its antonym. Apart from "fails to meet", "falls short of" is a common solution; to my knowledge, there is no single word in English. SignatureLes (BrE) >> Hi >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > for its antonym. Apart from "fails to meet", "falls short of" is a common > solution; to my knowledge, there is no single word in English. [chuckling] "greater than" and "less than" will work fine for my intended usage (see adjacent thread) Thanks much. JH > "This exceeds the maximum size requirement", > > but I cannot find a single word for; > "This <fails to meet> the minimum size requirement", Strictly speaking, "exceeds" is still correct. The "ex-" means outside, not greater than. ¬R > > "This exceeds the maximum size requirement", > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Strictly speaking, "exceeds" is still correct. The "ex-" means outside, > not greater than. <confusion> If you said "The population of Philadelphia exceeds the population of New York," would that be a correct statement? (For anyone who doesn't know, the population of New York is more than triple of that of Philadelphia.) SignatureBob Lieblich Truly confused ><confusion> Yeah, I said that wrong. For "strictly," read "in this narrowly defined context, strictly and pedantically but not helpfully." Inside New York, it's too dark to populate. ¬R - At Ebay you'll find a great range of Doom <http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/bluemoon.html> >> "This exceeds the maximum size requirement", >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ¬R Well. That almost sounds right to my ear, in the usage I've described in an adjacent thread. However, "to go outside" implies I've been inside, when what I have is a case of "failed to come inside". JH >>> "This exceeds the maximum size requirement", >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > JH Just to be a little more explicit, (graphically). <the word I want> -> lower bound -> upper bound -> exceeded |
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