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Discussion Groups / English Usage / February 2010"subtle nuances"
Is "subtle nuances" redundant when referring to indirectly spoken meanings? > Is "subtle nuances" redundant when referring to indirectly spoken > meanings? Yes  Signatureathel On Feb 21, 6:49 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote: > > Is "subtle nuances" redundant when referring to indirectly spoken > > meanings? > > Yes Not really. "Subtle nuances" clearly indicates that the nuances referred to are too subtle for the listener to understand, though the listener would probably comprehend nuances which are less subtle. GFH >On Feb 21, 6:49 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >the listener would probably comprehend nuances which are less >subtle. +1 on that. SignatureWork is the curse of the drinking class. > On Feb 21, 6:49 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the listener would probably comprehend nuances which are less > subtle. Have you looked up "nuance" in a dictionary? Mine defines it as a "subtle difference in or shade of meaning". Signatureathel On Feb 22, 3:53 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote: > > On Feb 21, 6:49 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Have you looked up "nuance" in a dictionary? Mine defines it as a > "subtle difference in or shade of meaning". It is clear that you unable to comprehend subtle differences. Thanks for illustrating my point. GFH > On Feb 22, 3:53 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > It is clear that you unable to comprehend subtle differences. Thanks > for illustrating my point. So you understand a "subtle nuance" as a "subtle subtle difference in meaning"? Is that right? Signatureathel >>>>>> Is "subtle nuances" redundant when referring to indirectly spoken >>>>>> meanings? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > So you understand a "subtle nuance" as a "subtle subtle difference in > meaning"? Is that right? I understand "subtle nuance" as "a very subtle difference in meaning". I think most who have replied here understand it the same way. I'm a non-native speaker, for WIW. SignatureYou'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. On 22 Feb 2010, Patok wrote >>>> Have you looked up "nuance" in a dictionary? Mine defines it >>>> as a "subtle difference in or shade of meaning". [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I understand "subtle nuance" as "a very subtle difference in > meaning". To some of us, "subtle" simply seems like the wrong adjective to use with "nuance", since it's part of the definition of the word. It creates a redundancy that's similar to...(let me think)...and "alternative option" or "overweight obesity". > I think most who have replied here understand it the > same way. Hmmm...I think they should opt for a less tautological qualifier. SignatureCheers, Harvey CanEng and BrEng, indiscriminately mixed > On 22 Feb 2010, Patok wrote > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Hmmm...I think they should opt for a less tautological qualifier. At least on my newsreader "most of us" seems to mean two out of three, decreased to two out of four now that you've added your voice. (Of course, some of the comments may not be displayed as they may have been filtered before they reach me.) Not a very significant sample. Signatureathel On Feb 23, 4:39 am, Athel Cornish-Bowden <acorn...@ibsm.cnrs-mrs.fr> wrote: > > On 22 Feb 2010, Patok wrote > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > -- > athel Where does "obvious nuance" fit into this rainbow? Regards, John >Is "subtle nuances" redundant when referring to indirectly spoken >meanings? Good point. We need examples of blatant nuances so we can make up our minds. GFH has a point. I don't get subtlety. I might get nuance. SignaturePosters should say where they live, and for which area they are asking questions. I was born and then lived in Western Pa. 10 years Indianapolis 7 years Chicago 6 years Brooklyn, NY 12 years Baltimore 26 years |
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