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Discussion Groups / English Usage / September 2010Question: all except for
What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" scuptures, all except for the hole . 1) Can I interprete the phrase of " all except for" as "although the hole is completely excluded"? or 2) only when the hole is completely excluded? text: ....But now what of cases like the following: a rock isn't a work of art, but what if you drill a hole through it? Is it a sculpture now? (What if it's just the shape you wanted for your "abstract" sculpture, all except for the hole, which is your contribution to an object of nature?) What if you take the rock and put a couple of scratches on it or your initials?.... Lhala. Thank you. > What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" > scuptures, all except for the hole [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > nature?) What if you take the rock and put a couple of scratches on it > or your initials?.... Your source seems obsolete, so far as formal aesthetics is concerned (i.e. the conventions or rules demarcating the difference between art and non-art.) "Found Objects" has been since the 1920s the accepted name for objects displayed as art without being worked in any way by artists.  SignatureDon Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) > What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" > scuptures, all except for the hole [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 2) only when the hole is completely excluded? No. The word "all" refers to the rock. It has every detail that you wanted except one: the hole. When you have supplied that detail, will the rock be a sculpture? > text: > ....But now what of cases like the following: a rock isn't a work of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you. >> What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" >> scuptures, all except for the hole [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > wanted except one: the hole. When you have supplied that detail, will > the rock be a sculpture? Interesting. I read that sentence to mean that the rock has every detail for it to be a sculpture, except that it has an extra hole. If it didn't have the hole, it would be a sculpture. An I the only one to read it that way? SignatureYou'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone. -- Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn. >>> What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" >>> scuptures, all except for the hole [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >hole, it would be a sculpture. > An I the only one to read it that way? The underlying principle of the quoted text is that for a rock to be a piece of sculpture it must be modified in some way by a sculptor: "a rock isn't a work of art". It asks: Does drilling a hole through it make it a sculpture? Is it a sculpture if the modification is just a couple of scratches? It considers the paradox (if that is the right word) that the rock may be perfect as it is but that drilling a hole in it to make it a work of art makes it imperfect: "(What if it's just the shape you wanted for your "abstract" sculpture, all except for the hole, which is your contribution to an object of nature?)". SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.english.usage) >>> What if it's just the shape you wanted for you" abstract" >>> scuptures, all except for the hole [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > hole, it would be a sculpture. > An I the only one to read it that way? I think I understood it that way, too. "The hole" refers to a known hole. One that wasn't there yet would be "a hole". Bill in Kentucky On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:13:03 -0400, Patok wrote: > CDB wrote: >> ingul...@hotmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>> hole is completely excluded"? >>> or >>> 2) only when the hole is completely excluded? >> No. The word "all" refers to the rock. It has every detail that you >> wanted except one: the hole. When you have supplied that detail, will >> the rock be a sculpture? > Interesting. I read that sentence to mean that the rock has every detail for > it to be a sculpture, except that it has an extra hole. If it didn't have the > hole, it would be a sculpture. > An I the only one to read it that way? I think I understood it that way, too. "The hole" refers to a known hole. One that wasn't there yet would be "a hole". An afterthought: I would expect it to say "except for the absense of a hole" if that were the case. Bill in Kentucky |
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