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Discussion Groups / English Usage / January 2007partyer, partier ???
Hi, Being that time of year I have a festive question. Both the words partyer and partier are listed by dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/partier However I haven't found either of these two words in any other on-line dictionary. Does anybody know if they are american english and not british english? Happy New Year, Simon. Simon schrieb: > Hi, > Being that time of year I have a festive question. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Does anybody know if they are american english and not british english? I would say "party-goer", "party-people". I've never ever heard "partier" or "partyer", to the best of my knowledge, although I'd understand them without hesitation - I'm not sure which spelling I'd use. But if you look at <http://m-w.com/dictionary/partier>, you'll find that both spellings are acceptable - and since no indication is given to the contrary I'd expect that both variants are acceptable in both British and American English. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > Hi, > Being that time of year I have a festive question. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Happy New Year, > Simon. Hmm not sure the word exists as such but can legally be built by adding -er suffix to party. Partier cannot possibly be correct, however. Rather than make up words it would be better to use party-goer or reveller as they carry the intended meaning. Rich > > Hi, > > Being that time of year I have a festive question. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Happy New Year, > > Simon. > Hmm not sure the word exists as such but can legally be built by adding -er > suffix to party. Partier cannot possibly be correct, however. Are you British? "Partier" is the common American word; "partyer" looks British to me. Btw, how do you spell our word "flier" (made by adding "er" to "fly", after changing the Y to an I, because that's the rule when adding ER)? > Rather than make up words it would be better to use party-goer or reveller as > they carry the intended meaning. Those work, too :) Don't be too hard on the evolving language -- even the editors of OED recognize a dozen or two new "made-up" words as "official" every year.  SignaturePlease take off your pants or I won't read your e-mail. I will not, no matter how "good" the deal, patronise any business which sends unsolicited commercial e-mail or that advertises in discussion newsgroups. Miss Elaine Eos schrieb: <snip> > Are you British? "Partier" is the common American word; "partyer" looks > British to me. Btw, how do you spell our word "flier" (made by adding > "er" to "fly", after changing the Y to an I, because that's the rule > when adding ER)? "Flyer" also exists - particularly in the sense "advertising circular" - see <http://m-w.com/dictionary/flyer>. >>Rather than make up words it would be better to use party-goer or reveller as >>they carry the intended meaning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don't be too hard on the evolving language -- even the editors of OED > recognize a dozen or two new "made-up" words as "official" every year. It's no so much a dozen or two, it's more usually several hundred per year - although a lot of them are new meanings for existing words. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan >>> Hi, >>> Being that time of year I have a festive question. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > "er" to "fly", after changing the Y to an I, because that's the rule > when adding ER)? To be honest they both look wrong to my eyes out of context; maybe in context they'd make sense. Anyway, Chambers has never heard of them, nor does the Compact OED but I suppose they have some validity as there isn't an existing alternative that carries the sense "one who parties a lot". I wouldn't cling to tightly to rules. English tends not to be as subject to hard rules as some people believe. It isn't Latin or French. >> Rather than make up words it would be better to use party-goer or reveller as >> they carry the intended meaning. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don't be too hard on the evolving language -- even the editors of OED > recognize a dozen or two new "made-up" words as "official" every year. No I am happy for the language to evolve. My response was mostly a knee-jerk reaction; 'partyer' and 'partier' still look like mis-spellings to me. I think the current form in British English would be to hyphenate the suffixation: 'party-er'. I suspect that this will look clumsy to American eyes, however. Divided by a common language... Rich Richard Polhill schrieb: >> Hi, >> Being that time of year I have a festive question. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hmm not sure the word exists as such but can legally be built by adding > -er suffix to party. Partier cannot possibly be correct, however. Both forms are contasined in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, which is one of the authoritative dictionaries of american English, but I don't doubt that the words also appear in then Oxford English Dictionary. Indeed "partier" is probably the more regular form since when you add the suffix "-er" to a word ending in "-y" after a consonant the "-y" is usually changed into an "-i-", e.g. "carry" -> "carrier", "happy" -> "happier", although tehre are some exceptions where both forms are acceptable, e.g. "drier" and "dryer" are both acceptable (at least as nouns, only the former is acceptable as the comparative form of the adjective "dry"). Regards, Einde O'Callaghan > Rather than make up words it would be better to use party-goer or > reveller as they carry the intended meaning. > > Rich > Richard Polhill schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > nouns, only the former is acceptable as the comparative form of the > adjective "dry"). Oxford regards 'dryer' as the preferred form for 'something which dries' but lists 'drier' as an alternative whereas the superlative sense 'more dry' can only be 'drier'. This is exactly the model for preferring 'partyer' to 'partier' as an adjective 'party' is implied by the second spelling. Imagine if you will as sentence involving the compound noun 'party wall' - close in meaning to the original French root 'partie': a share - perhaps it could become acceptable to describe a one wall as 'partier' than another. ;-) I know it sounds awful as there is no adjective 'party', but it would conform to normal English evolution to extend an existing usage this way. If this were true then using the '-er' suffix (meaning 'one who ...' not the superlative sense) would retain some distinction of meaning. > This is exactly the model for preferring 'partyer' to 'partier' as an > adjective 'party' is implied by the second spelling. Imagine if you will [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it sounds awful as there is no adjective 'party', but it would conform > to normal English evolution to extend an existing usage this way. No response to that? Not even a ROFL? Pah! What are the newsgroups coming to? ;-) >> This is exactly the model for preferring 'partyer' to 'partier' as an >> adjective 'party' is implied by the second spelling. Imagine if you will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No response to that? Not even a ROFL? Usenet is not a real-time medium (nor even a small), patricularly for low-traffic groups like this one and at the holiday season. > Pah! What are the newsgroups coming to? ;-) A sticky end, like a currant bun. BTW, I agree with you about the endings, and that neither spelling looks like a real word... Chris C >>> This is exactly the model for preferring 'partyer' to 'partier' as an >>> adjective 'party' is implied by the second spelling. Imagine if you will [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Usenet is not a real-time medium (nor even a small), patricularly for > low-traffic groups like this one and at the holiday season. Normally get faster responses to the sort of drivel I spouted. ;-) >> Pah! What are the newsgroups coming to? ;-) > > A sticky end, like a currant bun. Which end is the end on a currant bun? > BTW, I agree with you about the endings, and that neither spelling looks > like a real word... I think Mirriam-Websters have accepted party as a verb whereas Oxford, Chambers, et al haven't. And it *looks* wrong, damn it. >>>> This is exactly the model for preferring 'partyer' to 'partier' as an >>>> adjective 'party' is implied by the second spelling. Imagine if you will [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > Normally get faster responses to the sort of drivel I spouted. ;-) Heh. 'Tis the season. >>> Pah! What are the newsgroups coming to? ;-) >> >> A sticky end, like a currant bun. >> > Which end is the end on a currant bun? The end that's sticky! The top end, usually, because if the bottom is sticky it'a a pain[1] to get off the pan[2]. [1] French bread. [2] Also French bread, it's the way French 'pain'[3] is pronounced. [3] The French word which is spelt[4] 'pain', that is, rather than the sound of the French in pain. [4] Or any other kind of wheat for making bread[5]. [5] Or cake, if they have no bread. >> BTW, I agree with you about the endings, and that neither spelling looks >> like a real word... > > I think Mirriam-Websters have accepted party as a verb whereas Oxford, > Chambers, et al haven't. Interesting. I cartainly accept party as a verb, and some of the related words ("we partied all night" seems fine to me) and hadn't thought of it as specifically American. The Concise OED (9th ed. 1995) acceptis it as a verb and as a noun in sense 1, and as an adjective in sense 2, but the 6th ed. in 1980 only had it as noun and adjective. Somewhen the noun got verbed <g>... > And it *looks* wrong, damn it. I certainly agree with that. 'Partier' loks as though it should be pronounced 'par-teer' or as French 'par-ti-eh', and 'partyer' as though it should be 'part-yer' (like US 'pardner'). Although I would accept the spoken form as long as I didn't try to convert it to written... Chris C |
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