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Stuart Chapman - 27 Mar 2006 08:58 GMT
Dear Rey,

Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.

Thankyou.

Stupot
Alexei A. Frounze - 27 Mar 2006 09:18 GMT
> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.

One probably needs to know all cultures and their languages to answer that.
:)
To some the worst curse may be about the Virgin Maria. To someone else it
maybe some word whose meaning can't even be explained easily. It may be
religious or personal. It maybe something disgusting or something about
mental abilities. It's different. You need to sample many (the most) to come
up with a few more or less common offensive words and phrases.

Alex
Reinhold (Rey) Aman - 27 Mar 2006 09:25 GMT
> Dear Rey,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Stupot

Sorry, there isn't such an animal.  Every language, society, and culture
has specific taboos and "offensive" words that violate such taboos.
Worldwide, the three big groups of taboos deal with Family, Religion,
and Sex & Excretion (and combinations thereof).

~~~ Rey ~~~

http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/biblio-13.html
http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/biblio-14.html
http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/contents13.html
Ross Howard - 27 Mar 2006 09:31 GMT
>> Dear Rey,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Worldwide, the three big groups of taboos deal with Family, Religion,
>and Sex & Excretion (and combinations thereof).

As Rey knows very well, Spanish is hard to beat for exotic cocktails
of the big taboo groups. Here are three of the big four in a single
(and in Spain very common indeed) insult:

    *¡Me cago [excretion] en tu puta [sex] madre [family]!*

Regular readers of AUE will also remember how that little old lady who
doesn't need any help with those heavy bags showed an excellent grasp
of the double-whammy approach when she said, in effect, "Go f.ck [sex]
yo mudda [fam]!"

--
Ross Howard
Mike Lyle - 27 Mar 2006 17:50 GMT
[...]
> As Rey knows very well, Spanish is hard to beat for exotic cocktails
> of the big taboo groups. Here are three of the big four in a single
> (and in Spain very common indeed) insult:
>
> *¡Me cago [excretion] en tu puta [sex] madre [family]!*
[...]

There's also the gauchoesque "I sh.t in the milk of the Madonna!" Of
course that's milder than your example, especially out on the Pampa.

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R J Valentine - 27 Mar 2006 15:23 GMT
} Stuart Chapman wrote:
}
}> Dear Rey,
}>
}> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.
}>
}> Thankyou.
}>
}> Stupot
}
} Sorry, there isn't such an animal.  Every language, society, and culture
} has specific taboos and "offensive" words that violate such taboos.
} Worldwide, the three big groups of taboos deal with Family, Religion,
} and Sex & Excretion (and combinations thereof).

Please.

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rjv

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 31 Mar 2006 03:21 GMT
> } Stuart Chapman wrote:
> }
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>
> Please.

You've mentioned that before, but I don't know your objection.  If you
don't mind, kindly explain it, will you?  TIA.

"For me" annoys me a lot more.  "Could you put your tray table up for
me, sir?"  Anything for you, of course, but in this case I'll do it
just because you reminded me of the announcement.

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Jerry Friedman

R J Valentine - 31 Mar 2006 14:12 GMT
} R J Valentine wrote:
}> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:25:13 -0800 "Reinhold (Rey) Aman" <aman@sonic.net> wrote:
}>
}> } Stuart Chapman wrote:
}> }
}> }> Dear Rey,
}> }>
}> }> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.
}> }>
}> }> Thankyou.
}> }>
}> }> Stupot
}> }
}> } Sorry, there isn't such an animal.  Every language, society, and culture
}> } has specific taboos and "offensive" words that violate such taboos.
}> } Worldwide, the three big groups of taboos deal with Family, Religion,
}> } and Sex & Excretion (and combinations thereof).
}>
}> Please.
}
} You've mentioned that before, but I don't know your objection.  If you
} don't mind, kindly explain it, will you?  TIA.
}
} "For me" annoys me a lot more.  "Could you put your tray table up for
} me, sir?"  Anything for you, of course, but in this case I'll do it
} just because you reminded me of the announcement.

That's the idea.  How about when someone says, "I said, 'Please,'" in that
whiney tone they get?  First of all, English usage is saddled with a
"please" word that is a quasi-imperative verb in form, where other
languages have more of an "if you please" or "I beg you" sort of form.  
Then children are taught that it is a magic word that they can expect
results from (so you'll observe a child standing in front of someone
impatiently saying, "Excuse me, please!").  When someone says to you,
"Sir, step out of the car, please," you're not being asked politely;
you're being given the opportunity to make peace with your god.

So, when the Schimpfmeister calls me an a.shole or some sort of Nazi or a
coward or paranoid or when he reminds us again of a physical affliction I
happen to have to deal with, we know it's all good, clean fun.  But let
him throw a "please" at me, and I'll know he has lost all respect for me.

Even a flight attendant knows to use helping verbs and couch it as a
personal favor that's being asked.  Contrast that with the snow-storm
episode of _Third Rock from the Sun_ when Barbara the flight attendant
says to Dick, "Please sit down."

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rjv

jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 31 Mar 2006 22:50 GMT
> } R J Valentine wrote:
> }> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:25:13 -0800 "Reinhold (Rey) Aman" <aman@sonic.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> "Sir, step out of the car, please," you're not being asked politely;
> you're being given the opportunity to make peace with your god.

Well, the "sir" is just as bad.  "Thank you" can also be offensive, in
certain situations and certain tones of voice.

> So, when the Schimpfmeister calls me an a.shole or some sort of Nazi or a
> coward or paranoid or when he reminds us again of a physical affliction I
> happen to have to deal with, we know it's all good, clean fun.  But let
> him throw a "please" at me, and I'll know he has lost all respect for me.

That's called leading with your chin.

> Even a flight attendant knows to use helping verbs and couch it as a
> personal favor that's being asked.

I'd rather have been asked, "Could you please put your tray table up,
sir?"  Considering that the situation was my fault, I wouldn't have
minded a touch of weariness in the "please".  It's the personal-favor
part that annoys me.

> Contrast that with the snow-storm
> episode of _Third Rock from the Sun_ when Barbara the flight attendant
> says to Dick, "Please sit down."

No!  'Cause you didn't say the magic word.  Also because I haven't seen
that show.  (I heard it was good, though.)

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Stuart Chapman - 28 Mar 2006 09:56 GMT
>> Dear Rey,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/biblio-14.html
> http://www.sonic.net/maledicta/contents13.html

Seriously, I know that's true. Its just that many of your
recent posts have contained a bit of bile, and I was hoping
to see you at your best.

Could you beat R. Lee Ermey in an insulting competition?

Stupot
Ken Cashion - 27 Mar 2006 15:33 GMT
>Dear Rey,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Stupot

I didn't care for Rey's answer so let me give it a shot.

Word?

It would have to be at least offensive enough to have me killed as
soon as it came out of my mouth...or soon after it came from my
keyboard.

I would think that there may be just one word that would cause an
Islamist to react quickly and violently.

That word could be determined.

Go for it, Rey!

Ken
Peter Moylan - 28 Mar 2006 14:26 GMT
> I would think that there may be just one word that would cause an
> Islamist to react quickly and violently.
>
> That word could be determined.
>
> Go for it, Rey!

Alternatively, one might ask whether there is a word that would cause
Rey to react quickly and violently.  In respect for Rey I won't write
the word, but it starts with an "M".

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Reinhold (Rey) Aman - 28 Mar 2006 20:55 GMT
Peter Moylan écrit/schreef:

> > I would think that there may be just one word that would
> > cause an Islamist to react quickly and violently.

> > That word could be determined.

> > Go for it, Rey!

> Alternatively, one might ask whether there is a word that would cause
> Rey to react quickly and violently.  In respect for Rey I won't write
> the word, but it starts with an "M".

Peter!  How could you do this to me?  Haven't I asked you time & again
never to bring up "Milwaukee"?

Je suis très fâché, mon vieux.

~~~ Rey ~~~
Al in Dallas - 30 Mar 2006 18:24 GMT
>Peter Moylan écrit/schreef:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Je suis très fâché, mon vieux.

I posted in 2003 trying to explain to Mike Oliver what the whole Mimi
thing was, and Rey responded by flaming Tony Cooper and Padraig
Breathnach. He was gentle with me, though. Go figure!

http://google.com/group/alt.usage.english/msg/fffd33db44bb9f7a

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Peter Moylan - 31 Mar 2006 04:13 GMT
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:55:50 -0800, "Reinhold (Rey) Aman"
           <aman@sonic.net> wrote:

> Peter Moylan écrit/schreef:
>
>> Alternatively, one might ask whether there is a word that would
>> cause Rey to react quickly and violently.  In respect for Rey I
>> won't write the word, but it starts with an "M".

> Peter!  How could you do this to me?  Haven't I asked you time &
> again never to bring up "Milwaukee"?

Actually, I was thinking of the comedienne Minnie Ha-ha.

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The optusnet address still has about 4 months of life left.

Pat Durkin - 27 Mar 2006 16:36 GMT
> Dear Rey,
>
> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.

It's not a word.  It's "Sniff", combined with a (a) rolled eye, (b)
turned back, or (c) sneer.
Spehro Pefhany - 27 Mar 2006 18:10 GMT
>> Dear Rey,
>>
>> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.
>
>It's not a word.  It's "Sniff", combined with a (a) rolled eye, (b)
>turned back, or (c) sneer.

There are times and places when and where a prolonged stare could get
you killed. And languages where simply saying "your mother" (depending
on context and how you say it) could have a similar result.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Ken Cashion - 27 Mar 2006 18:22 GMT
>> Dear Rey,
>>
>> Please tell me what the most offensive word in the world is.
>
>It's not a word.  It's "Sniff", combined with a (a) rolled eye, (b)
>turned back, or (c) sneer.

"Who can refute a sneer?"  (Not original -- William Paley.)

"Who can refute the rolled eye?"  (Original -- parody.)

I rarely remember the speakers of the quotes I know  but I knew
William Paley said that because he is not  William S. Paley.  I know
about William S. because he took care of one of my favorite people,
Louise Brooks.  (Jeez!  Did that ever shoot this off to Never-Never
Land!)

Ken
 
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