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Plural of "midwife"

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Salvatore Volatile - 30 Mar 2006 13:16 GMT
I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/ as a
plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is "midwives"
/mIdwaIvz/.  M-W doesn't seem to say anything.

Google has:

"several midwifes"   48
"several midwives"  502

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HVS - 30 Mar 2006 14:31 GMT
On 30 Mar 2006, Salvatore Volatile wrote

> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/
> as a plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>  "several midwifes"   48
>  "several midwives"  502

I'd go for "midwives";  but which way do you pronounce "midwifery"?

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Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed
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sage - 30 Mar 2006 18:09 GMT
> On 30 Mar 2006, Salvatore Volatile wrote
>
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> I'd go for "midwives";  but which way do you pronounce "midwifery"?

mid-wiff-ery. With slightly more emphasis on the second syllable than
the others.

My wife is a midwife.

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Maria Conlon - 30 Mar 2006 18:29 GMT
>> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/
>> as a plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>  "several midwifes"   48
>>  "several midwives"  502

Dictionary.com says both.
Cambridge says "midwives."

> I'd go for "midwives";  but which way do you pronounce "midwifery"?

I'm with you on "midwives." As for "midwifery," I see that as not being
plural matter[1], and would go with the "f" version. (Dictionary.com has
both; Cambridge has the "f" version.)

[1] Even if someone here thinks up a way for "midwifery" to be plural,
I'd still go with "f."

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Pat Durkin - 30 Mar 2006 18:53 GMT
>>> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/
>>> as a plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> [1] Even if someone here thinks up a way for "midwifery" to be plural,
> I'd still go with "f."

That's what I have heard.  My nephew's wife is a PA, specializing in
obstetrics and midwifery.  (By the way, -if- as in "if".)  I joked about
it as -whiffery, but she didn't think that was funny.
Maria Conlon - 30 Mar 2006 21:37 GMT
> Maria Conlon wrote, in part:
>>
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> obstetrics and midwifery.  (By the way, -if- as in "if".)  I joked
> about it as -whiffery, but she didn't think that was funny.

Merriam-Webster gives two pronunciations, with the "if" version first.
I've never heard it that way. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've
ever heard the word actually spoken. It's just a word I've read...
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Will - 31 Mar 2006 14:19 GMT
[...]
> That's what I have heard.  My nephew's wife is a PA, specializing in
> obstetrics and midwifery.  (By the way, -if- as in "if".)  I joked about
> it as -whiffery, but she didn't think that was funny.

PA?  As in Personal Assistant?  Shurely shome mishtake.

Will.
Linz - 31 Mar 2006 15:19 GMT
> [...]
>> That's what I have heard.  My nephew's wife is a PA, specializing in
>> obstetrics and midwifery.  (By the way, -if- as in "if".)  I joked
>> about it as -whiffery, but she didn't think that was funny.
>
> PA?  As in Personal Assistant?  Shurely shome mishtake.

Physician's Assistant, I think. It's marvellous what I've learnt watching
ER.
Pat Durkin - 31 Mar 2006 16:13 GMT
>> [...]
>>> That's what I have heard.  My nephew's wife is a PA, specializing in
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>
> Physician's Assistant, I think.
Correct.
HVS - 30 Mar 2006 21:03 GMT
On 30 Mar 2006, Maria Conlon wrote

>>> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes"
>>> /mIdwaIfs/ as a plural -- I would assume that the correct
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I'm with you on "midwives." As for "midwifery," I see that as
> not being plural matter[1],

Oh, it's not -- -I was sliding sideways into the "wiff-ery/why-
fery" thing.

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Maria Conlon - 30 Mar 2006 21:40 GMT
>> I'm with you on "midwives." As for "midwifery," I see that as
>> not being plural matter[1],
>
> Oh, it's not -- -I was sliding sideways into the "wiff-ery/why-
> fery" thing.

Ah. Well, Pat Durkin has an answer about that (and the answer surprised
me).

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Maria

Stephen Calder - 30 Mar 2006 14:55 GMT
> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/ as a
> plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is "midwives"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>  "several midwifes"   48
>  "several midwives"  502

I've never heard or seen anything but midwives.

Google searches return any old sh.t along with the good stuff.

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Stephen
Lennox Head, Australia

Robert Lieblich - 30 Mar 2006 16:08 GMT
[ ... ]

> Google searches return any old sh.t along with the good stuff.

Which is why we run them.  Today's any old sh.t is tomorrow's standard
usage.[1]

[1]  Sometimes.

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Should we Areffize "any old sh.t" to AOS?

Linz - 31 Mar 2006 13:24 GMT
> I think I just heard an NPR reporter say "midwifes" /mIdwaIfs/ as a
> plural -- I would assume that the correct plural is "midwives"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> "several midwifes"   48
> "several midwives"  502

Midwives, to rhyme with housewives. Hence the title of the BBC series about
labour and delivery, /Desperate Midwives/.
 
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