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jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 03 Oct 2006 18:54 GMT
Seeing a current American scandal as an opportunity to recycle a joke,
I asked a friend this morning, "Why don't Congressmen use bookmarks?"

He said, "They just send e-mails?"

It took a little confusion to establish that I meant the old kind of
bookmarks, the ones you mark your place with in a book.  Maybe we need
a retronym.

(It would be off-topic for me to mention that the answer is, "They just
bend over the pages.")

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TakenEvent - 03 Oct 2006 21:47 GMT
> Seeing a current American scandal as an opportunity to recycle a joke,
> I asked a friend this morning, "Why don't Congressmen use bookmarks?"
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> (It would be off-topic for me to mention that the answer is, "They just
> bend over the pages.")

I don't see how your friend's answer fits the question anyway, unless he is
asserting that the only thing Congressmen do on computers is send email, as
in "They only send email".  I don't think we need a retronym, as bookmarking
a website is quite similar to the marking of a page in a book;  Presumably,
that's why the word was chosen.

A bookmark for a webpage is fairly unrelated to the sending of email.  What
was the confusion?
jerry_friedman@yahoo.com - 03 Oct 2006 22:32 GMT
> > Seeing a current American scandal as an opportunity to recycle a joke,
> > I asked a friend this morning, "Why don't Congressmen use bookmarks?"
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> A bookmark for a webpage is fairly unrelated to the sending of email.  What
> was the confusion?

It was early in the morning and he was scrambling for an answer.

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mb - 04 Oct 2006 06:05 GMT
> > > Seeing a current American scandal as an opportunity to recycle a joke,
> > > I asked a friend this morning, "Why don't Congressmen use bookmarks?"
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> It was early in the morning and he was scrambling for an answer.

Which was easier in the IT version anyway. They link to the pages.
tinwhistler - 04 Oct 2006 01:20 GMT
> Seeing a current American scandal as an opportunity to recycle a joke,
> I asked a friend this morning, "Why don't Congressmen use bookmarks?"
>
> He said, "They just send e-mails?"

With entrenchment of vote selling, many Congressmen are just sending
fee mails, while others   barter for females.
Peter Moylan - 04 Oct 2006 05:44 GMT
> It took a little confusion to establish that I meant the old kind of
>  bookmarks, the ones you mark your place with in a book.  Maybe we
> need a retronym.

Fear not. I had to read the rest of the thread before I could work out
what other kind of bookmark existed.

For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
was reading it.

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Eric Schwartz - 04 Oct 2006 07:25 GMT
> For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
> my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
> was reading it.

I never have quite got the hang of using that sort of bookmark; I
always lose them when I want one.  I eventually had to resort to
remembering where I was in the book.

-=Eric
Robin Bignall - 08 Oct 2006 22:53 GMT
>> For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
>> my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>always lose them when I want one.  I eventually had to resort to
>remembering where I was in the book.

You can get free bookmarks from public libraries here.  Jeanne picks
up a few each week to replace those that have been chewed by the dog,
whose attitude is that anything that falls to the floor is his.
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Mike Lyle - 08 Oct 2006 23:01 GMT
> >> For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
> >> my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> up a few each week to replace those that have been chewed by the dog,
> whose attitude is that anything that falls to the floor is his.

One of my more harmless eccentricities is that, in a small and
disorderly way, I collect bookmarks of all descriptions. I still can't
forgive my ex-sister-in-law for giving me a book from a jumbly and
keeping for herself the hand-stitched Victorian bookmark she found
inside: it bore the uplifting Biblical quotation, "Jesus wept".

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Solo Thesailor - 09 Oct 2006 12:31 GMT
> ....
> > >I never have quite got the hang of using that sort of bookmark; I
> > >always lose them when I want one.  I eventually had to resort to
> > >remembering where I was in the book.

Easy. I need lots of bookmarks to mark things on pages I like, not just
where I'm at. And I read several books concurrently anyway. Well...
here's my confession. At first I just grabbed the nearest thing at
hand, and that was a piece of tissue from the box by the bed. Then I
found it to be so great! It is thin, particularly when I peel the
double-ply apart. Some have faint sketches of nice design too (cute
pink hearts). And there's practically an unlimited supply! (Plus when
it gets to the sad part, even if I happen to be down the beach or
somewhere, I could use my bookmarks as an emergency tear mopper and
nose blower. And as a serviette after those hot jam doughnuts too!).

Another favourite is the colourful 'post-it' paper, cut into thin
strips to save the trees.

> ... I collect bookmarks of all descriptions. I still can't
> forgive my ex-sister-in-law for giving me a book from a jumbly and
> keeping for herself the hand-stitched Victorian bookmark she found
> inside: it bore the uplifting Biblical quotation, "Jesus wept".

There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
Have always thought people should send each other practical things like
bookmarks instead of Christmas cards.

Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Mike Lyle - 09 Oct 2006 21:52 GMT
[...]
> Another favourite is the colourful 'post-it' paper, cut into thin
> strips to save the trees.

This is sound policy: I always use post-its for pages I want to come
back to.

> > ... I collect bookmarks of all descriptions. I still can't
> > forgive my ex-sister-in-law for giving me a book from a jumbly and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Have always thought people should send each other practical things like
> bookmarks instead of Christmas cards.

That's a sound idea, too: Photoshop experts could make some really good
personalised ones for Christmas.

I'll see if I can scare up some Pom ones for you.

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Solo Thesailor - 18 Oct 2006 05:01 GMT
> > There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
> > one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I'll see if I can scare up some Pom ones for you.

Oooo...goodie. While I think about it, please pass a message on to the
Nottingham Lace people to make bookmarks. I gave all my (non-bookmark)
collection of lace pieces to the in-laws who are now ex-in-laws,
thinking that I could get more anytime but alas when I went back to
Nottingham somehow couldn't find them or something happened I can't
remember now. I'm N'laceless.

Maybe I'll make personalised AUEer bookmarks? Taking orders....

Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Robin Bignall - 18 Oct 2006 22:08 GMT
>> > There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
>> > one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>Nottingham somehow couldn't find them or something happened I can't
>remember now. I'm N'laceless.

The Lace Market area adjacent to Nottingham's city centre started
being turned into a des res district probably during the 1960s.
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Donna Richoux - 18 Oct 2006 22:45 GMT
> >Oooo...goodie. While I think about it, please pass a message on to the
> >Nottingham Lace people to make bookmarks. I gave all my (non-bookmark)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The Lace Market area adjacent to Nottingham's city centre started
> being turned into a des res district probably during the 1960s.

Des res -- that's new to me. It's in Encarta, marked "Late 20th century.
Shortening of desirable residence."

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Peter Duncanson - 18 Oct 2006 23:14 GMT
>> >Oooo...goodie. While I think about it, please pass a message on to the
>> >Nottingham Lace people to make bookmarks. I gave all my (non-bookmark)
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Des res -- that's new to me. It's in Encarta, marked "Late 20th century.
>Shortening of desirable residence."

Estate-agent-speak. Used by others only jocularly.
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Solo Thesailor - 19 Oct 2006 08:16 GMT
>>> ...
> >> The Lace Market area adjacent to Nottingham's city centre started
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Estate-agent-speak. Used by others only jocularly.

Strange... Why can't I see Donna's post that you quoted? (No, I did not
killfile.)

Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com
Mike Lyle - 09 Nov 2006 00:11 GMT
> > > There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
> > > one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Oooo...goodie. [...]

Solo, I've assembled a few. If you'd care to email me your address I
can slip them in the post.

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LFS - 09 Nov 2006 07:29 GMT
>>>>There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
>>>>one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Solo, I've assembled a few. If you'd care to email me your address I
> can slip them in the post.

I must have missed this thread the first time round. Is there a word for
bookmark lovers?

A friend who has just visited Rome brought me back a very useful gift -
a bookmark calendar, from which each month's page is designed to be used
as a bookmark.  I've never seen the like in the UK. It's called "Gatti
di roma" - and has lovely pictures of Italian moggies.

My current favourite bookmark was designed by a young friend of mine and
can be seen at http://alefsinwonderland.com/haystack.htm (To appreciate
the pun you need to know that the name of the Hebrew letter is
prononunced "hay".)

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Solo Thesailor - 09 Nov 2006 13:46 GMT
> [...]
> I must have missed this thread the first time round. Is there a word for
> bookmark lovers?
>
> A friend who has just visited Rome brought me back a very useful gift -
> a bookmark calendar, ....

Great idea. And thanks for the picture.
I did a quick search and found a website for bookmark collectors you
might find interesting at
http://www.miragebookmark.ch/wb_exchange_bookmarks.htm

I've removed my name from the subject line so it doesn't keep hanging
there doing nothing :-)

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Solo Thesailor - 09 Nov 2006 13:47 GMT
> I've removed my name from the subject line so it doesn't keep hanging
> there doing nothing :-)

Ooops... Try again.
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Mike Lyle - 09 Nov 2006 19:16 GMT
> >>>>There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
> >>>>one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> as a bookmark.  I've never seen the like in the UK. It's called "Gatti
> di roma" - and has lovely pictures of Italian moggies.

They're around, but I'm not about to pay three quid. I saw some in
Chelt today, and there was one in the Coventry Cathedral shop last
week, depicting a series of lighthouses with "light of the world"-type
Biblical quotations.

> My current favourite bookmark was designed by a young friend of mine and
> can be seen at http://alefsinwonderland.com/haystack.htm (To appreciate
> the pun you need to know that the name of the Hebrew letter is
> prononunced "hay".)

And as elegant as witty, too.

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Solo Thesailor - 09 Nov 2006 13:13 GMT
> ...
> Solo, I've assembled a few. If you'd care to email me your address I
> can slip them in the post.

Woww... a man of his word. Thank you very much! That'll be really cool!
I'm thinking... if some imposter(!) emails you how would you know that
it's not me? Anyway, I'll email.

PS I've removed my name from the subject line. Thanks for making it
catch my attention.
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The Grammer Genious - 09 Oct 2006 23:57 GMT
> <...>
> Another favourite is the colourful 'post-it' paper, cut into thin
> strips to save the trees. <...>

They also sell it already cut into thin strips. They've caught on.
Mike Lyle - 19 Oct 2006 21:11 GMT
> > <...>
> > Another favourite is the colourful 'post-it' paper, cut into thin
> > strips to save the trees. <...>
>
> They also sell it already cut into thin strips. They've caught on.

I confess to being lazy enough to have bought a bundle as a result of
your revelation; but they'll also make good stocking-fillers for my
adult children at a quid for three Filofax packs of 350. Fluorescent
bookmarks: not sure if that's a good idea.

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Richard Bollard - 11 Oct 2006 04:28 GMT
[...]

>There, there... Just send the design and I'll hand-stitch you another
>one. Want some Aussie ones for your collection? I love bookmarks too.
>Have always thought people should send each other practical things like
>bookmarks instead of Christmas cards.

Reminds me of my yoof. Some time in primary school we had some species
of gift exchange. We all had to bring in a present and in return we
would get one. I can't remember what I gave, but I got a leather
bookmark. I'm sure I would value it now, but at the time I felt
cheated. What made it worse was these twins who had newly arrived
from, my memory tells me, Canada (they were a boy and a girl and
looked identical). They came up to me, all smiles, and said that it
was their present and wasn't it great! I had to pretend that it was
Just What I Wanted. That, somehow, made it worse.
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Eric Schwartz - 09 Oct 2006 05:03 GMT
> You can get free bookmarks from public libraries here.  Jeanne picks
> up a few each week to replace those that have been chewed by the dog,
> whose attitude is that anything that falls to the floor is his.

As a matter of fcat, I'm about to print up a hundred or two for the
science fiction convention I'm co-chairing.  I'll probably end up with
some few dozen spares that I'll never be able to remember where they
are when I need one.

-=Eric
Mike Barnes - 08 Oct 2006 23:21 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Peter Moylan wrote:
>For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
>my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
>was reading it.

Post-it® notes.

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Mark Brader - 09 Oct 2006 01:51 GMT
Peter Moylan:
>> For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor next to
>> my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from my hands as I
>> was reading it.

Yes, well, at least it isn't falling into the bathwater.  That's what
usually happens with me!

Mike Barnes:
> Post-it® notes.

Not a good idea if there's any chance you'll set the book aside and forget
to come back to it.  In the long term the glue comes off and leaves sticky
residue on the page.  [Hmm-- thread merge? :-)]
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Peter Moylan - 09 Oct 2006 03:11 GMT
> Mike Barnes:
>> Post-it® notes.
>
> Not a good idea if there's any chance you'll set the book aside and
> forget to come back to it.  In the long term the glue comes off and
> leaves sticky residue on the page.  [Hmm-- thread merge? :-)]

That reminds me of something I discovered while doing renovations to our
house. After Blu-Tack has been on a wall for a while, it flows down in a
long vertical streak that is almost impossible to remove. It clogs up
sandpaper and laughs at knives.

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Peter Moylan - 09 Oct 2006 03:08 GMT
> In alt.usage.english, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> For me, a bookmark continues to be the thing I find on the floor
>> next to my bed in the morning, and next to the book that fell from
>> my hands as I was reading it.
>
> Post-it® notes.

I believe that these have an advertising slogan something like "for
things you can't afford to forget". Yesterday my sister sent me a jpeg
with that slogan down the side. The picture was of a man and woman
asleep in bed. On the woman's forehead was her name on a yellow sticker.

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