Need Help:The differences between Internet news website and newspaper
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hbsnmyj@gmail.com - 28 Oct 2006 14:51 GMT This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many ideas so i need your help.
Don Phillipson - 28 Oct 2006 16:20 GMT > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > ideas so i need your help. When you lack both ideas and information your only chance is to press an outrageous claim in an entertaining way. You could say the Internet fulfils certain prophecies of Karl Marx or St. Thomas Aquinas, for example.
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Adrian Bailey - 28 Oct 2006 21:06 GMT > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > ideas so i need your help. Start here: http://outsourcingseoservices.itmatchonline.com/weblog/index.php?/archives/286-T raditional-Newspapers-versus-Internet-News-by-R-Jones.html http://pewresearch.org/obdeck/?ObDeckID=43 http://www.cyberjournalist.net/news/003761.php http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue8_6/schiff/ http://www.press.umich.edu/jep/04-01/thiel.html http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/27/1645214&from=rss
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UC - 28 Oct 2006 21:36 GMT > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > ideas so i need your help. The newspaper isn't going to change.
Django Cat - 28 Oct 2006 23:34 GMT > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > ideas so i need your help. Is that like an English composition?
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Django Cat - 29 Oct 2006 00:29 GMT > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > ideas so i need your help. PS - You can't wrap chips in a website.
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Maria - 29 Oct 2006 03:59 GMT >> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many >> ideas so i need your help. > > PS - You can't wrap chips in a website. "Chips"? My inclination is to say "fish."
(You also can't use an Internet news Web site to line the bottom of your birdcage.)
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R H Draney - 29 Oct 2006 08:01 GMT Maria filted:
>>> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many >>> ideas so i need your help. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >(You also can't use an Internet news Web site to line the bottom of your >birdcage.) But the Internet doesn't turn yellow if you leave it out....r
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the Omrud - 29 Oct 2006 11:11 GMT Maria <marian.c-b@sbcglobal.net> had it:
> >> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > >> ideas so i need your help. > > > > PS - You can't wrap chips in a website. > > "Chips"? My inclination is to say "fish." The UK saying is: "Today's newspaper is tomorrow's chip paper". The chips (and any accompanying fish) are fried. Your "fish" presumably refers to "wet fish", that is, raw. I've never thought about this difference before - interesting.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 30 Oct 2006 21:55 GMT > Maria <marian.c-b@sbcglobal.net> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > chips (and any accompanying fish) are fried. Your "fish" presumably > refers to "wet fish", that is, raw. Yep. Hence "fishwrap" as a derogatory name for a newspaper thought only suitable for that purpose.
And also this quote from Ethel Merman:
"People eat it up, the gossip. But it happens, when you are very much in the public eye. ANd when anything happens that sort of rubs me the wrong way, I just say, 'yesterday's paper wraps today's fish.'" [_NY Times_, 5/29/1966]
(That's the earliest I can find for that saying, although a number of websites and books call it (or something similar) a "journalist's proverb".)
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Mark Brader - 30 Oct 2006 23:54 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum quotes Ethel Merman:
> "People eat it up, the gossip. But it happens, when you are very > much in the public eye. ANd when anything happens that sort of > rubs me the wrong way, I just say, 'yesterday's paper wraps > today's fish.'" [_NY Times_, 5/29/1966] On the other hand, it depends. When William Thacker (Hugh Grant) makes a similar point -- not mentioning fish -- to Anna Scott (Julia Roberts) in Notting Hill [screenplay by Richard Curtis], she replies:
"You really don't get it. This story gets filed. Every time anyone writes anything about me -- they'll dig up these photos. Newspapers last forever. I'll regret this forever."
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 31 Oct 2006 00:43 GMT > Evan Kirshenbaum quotes Ethel Merman: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > anyone writes anything about me -- they'll dig up these photos. > Newspapers last forever. I'll regret this forever." That may be a difference between 1966 and 1999.
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Mark Brader - 31 Oct 2006 22:59 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum quoting Ethel Merman:
>>> "People eat it up, the gossip. But it happens, when you are >>> very much in the public eye. ANd when anything happens that >>> sort of rubs me the wrong way, I just say, 'yesterday's paper >>> wraps today's fish.'" [_NY Times_, 5/29/1966] Mark Brader quoting Notting Hill [Richard Curtis]:
>> "You really don't get it. This story gets filed. Every time >> anyone writes anything about me -- they'll dig up these photos. >> Newspapers last forever. I'll regret this forever." (I took that from an online copy of the screenplay, by the way, but my recollection of the scene has Anna saying "I will", not "I'll".) Evan Kirshenbaum:
> That may be a difference between 1966 and 1999. Well, since "66" and "99" are opening and closing quotation marks, it makes sense that between those years there would be a difference in how people use quotations, doesn't it? :-)
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Leslie Danks - 29 Oct 2006 11:20 GMT >>> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many >>> ideas so i need your help. >> >> PS - You can't wrap chips in a website. > > "Chips"? My inclination is to say "fish." Some people can afford fish; others have to make do with just chips.
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J. J. Lodder - 30 Oct 2006 10:09 GMT > >>> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got many > >>> ideas so i need your help. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Some people can afford fish; others have to make do with just chips. That's just English poverty. In the Netherlands the proverbial use of old newspaper is for wrapping fish, never for chips,
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Django Cat - 29 Oct 2006 17:10 GMT > > > This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't got > > > many ideas so i need your help. > > > > PS - You can't wrap chips in a website. > > "Chips"? My inclination is to say "fish." As David points out, this is an allusion to the now sadly defunct UK habit of wrapping hot Fish and Chips in newspaper. This not only kept them warm till you got home, but also improved the flavour.
> (You also can't use an Internet news Web site to line the bottom of > your birdcage.) Indeed.
Another difference is that my grandfather would have been unable to cut a website into small squares to hang from a nail inside the outhouse door.
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HVS - 29 Oct 2006 17:31 GMT On 29 Oct 2006, Django Cat wrote
>>>> This is the topic of a English Competition tomorrow.I havn't >>>> got many ideas so i need your help. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > to cut a website into small squares to hang from a nail inside > the outhouse door. I'll tell you a serious difference (aside from portability) -- one that annoys me: perhaps counterintuitively, news websites are a more linear read.
When I read a newspaper, I scan the headlines on the page; perhaps read a few lines of this one or that; then settle down to read them in full.
Websites tend not to work that way: once you've chosen a headline, waited for the page to appear, and then read it (or not), you clicked on it on; you usually have to return to the front page to retrieve the full selection of headlines. It's a "return to base" model for scanning, rather than a single-page presentation of stories.
(It's not as linear as podcasts -- where the presenter gets to decide the speed at which you're going to be fed the story, since you can't just jump to the last few paragraphs -- but it's not as visually fluid as reading a paper.)
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Frances Kemmish - 29 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT > On 29 Oct 2006, Django Cat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > model for scanning, rather than a single-page presentation of > stories. I don't find that: most of the newspaper websites I look at carry a list of other stories that I can click on without going back to the main page.
For instance, when you click on a story to read in full in The Independent, the page carries a list of related stories, and a list of "Editor's Choice", as well as "Top Stories" for the day.
> (It's not as linear as podcasts -- where the presenter gets to > decide the speed at which you're going to be fed the story, since > you can't just jump to the last few paragraphs -- but it's not as > visually fluid as reading a paper.) That's more like listening to the news on the radio. Watching the TV news is much the same, unless you watch on one of those channels that splits the screen with crawls of headlines, stock market data, and so forth. I'm getting old, so I just find those too confusing.
Fran
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