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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006Yorkshire Airlines
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 An insight into Yorkshire life. (Google video)  SignatureRay UK mUs1Ka schrieb: > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > An insight into Yorkshire life. > > (Google video) Hi Ray, real good this video, where can I book a flight... No, do´nt be afraid I dos´nt, but, how can I install the link? Jo mUs1Ka schrieb: > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > An insight into Yorkshire life. > > (Google video) > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > An insight into Yorkshire life. > > (Google video) Seen it. Pestered all my friends with it. SignatureRob Bannister > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > An insight into Yorkshire life. > > (Google video) What is that green slop? SignatureJ. >> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >What is that green slop? ("Green slop"? Damn - they're on to us...) Mushy peas. A peculiarly northern "delicacy". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushy_peas Take the word "traditional" with a large pinch of the condiment of your choice - the BBC language program "Balderdash & Piffle" was having trouble tracing the name back more than about 30 years, and my own first encounter with them was in about 1970. Horrible things. Cheers - Ian >>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 >Mushy peas. A peculiarly northern "delicacy". >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushy_peas We discussed these at the June Boink at the Tate Modern. >Take the word "traditional" with a large pinch of the condiment of >your choice - the BBC language program "Balderdash & Piffle" was >having trouble tracing the name back more than about 30 years, and my >own first encounter with them was in about 1970. The term "mushy peas" is, as noted, fairly recent. The delicacy itself is much older, where it appeared under the simple name of "peas". I'm not sure why or where the "mushy" bit came to be added. I suspect the influx of Southerners. The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. Since he is also a pogonophile, he would be a welcome addition to this newsgroup. >Horrible things. Philistine! SignatureGraeme Thomas > The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on > peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. > Since he is also a pogonophile, he would be a welcome addition to this > newsgroup. How is he on sheep, I wonder? I guess shepherding is part of his job description and I suppose he has a ceremonial crook. I think Prof Page has a friend who knows him quite well. I rather like the idea of a boink with the Archbishop of Canterbury in attendance. What would be an appropriate venue? SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: > > The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on > > peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I rather like the idea of a boink with the Archbishop of Canterbury in > attendance. The beard is a good start. > What would be an appropriate venue? There are plenty of pubs named things like "Cathedral". We've got The Mitre in Manchester. He's on the radio in 15 minutes, trying to persuade Humphrys to believe in the supernatural. SignatureDavid ===== >> The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on >> peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >description and I suppose he has a ceremonial crook. I think Prof Page >has a friend who knows him quite well. And that beard! >I rather like the idea of a boink with the Archbishop of Canterbury in >attendance. What would be an appropriate venue? How about the tap room at the Mitre? -- THE "If you or I use a word inappropriately, that's an error. If a newspaper uses a word inappropriately, that's a citation source for the dictionaries." -- Peter Moylan >>>The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on >>>peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How about the tap room at the Mitre? You and David appear to be sharing a brain today. Graeme did note RW's pogonotrophic success. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: > >>>The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on > >>>peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You and David appear to be sharing a brain today. Yes, sorry about that, it's the two Tardises being so close in this galaxy's space-time. It think they've set up a causality tunnel betwixt Warrington and Spain. But is it the same Mitre? Does THE have Mancunian connections? I can't remember. > Graeme did note RW's pogonotrophic success. Damn. I only glanced at the sentence; I must have thought it said paedophile. Or paediatrician. SignatureDavid ===== >>> The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on >>> peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > How about the tap room at the Mitre? We'll have to wait and See. The most important thing is that someone brings along the appropriate teddy bear for a "baptism of fur": http://www.ship-of-fools.com/Features/frameit.htm?0203/rowan_bear.html SignatureJohn "Cantuar, Cantuar, better than orange squash you are" Dean Oxford >> The Most Reverend Rowan Williams, Cantuar+, is known to be sound on >> peas, and has expressed his particular liking for the mushy variety. >> Since he is also a pogonophile, he would be a welcome addition to this >> newsgroup. >How is he on sheep, I wonder? I guess shepherding is part of his job >description and I suppose he has a ceremonial crook. I have never listened to his views on shepherding, so I don't know his views on the subject. >I rather like the idea of a boink with the Archbishop of Canterbury in >attendance. What would be an appropriate venue? I once suggested Lambeth Palace, when we were faffing about looking for a venue. SignatureGraeme Thomas >>>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 >> Mushy peas. A peculiarly northern "delicacy". >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushy_peas > We discussed these at the June Boink at the Tate Modern. >> Take the word "traditional" with a large pinch of the condiment of >> your choice - the BBC language program "Balderdash & Piffle" was >> having trouble tracing the name back more than about 30 years, and my >> own first encounter with them was in about 1970. > The term "mushy peas" is, as noted, fairly recent. The delicacy itself > is much older, where it appeared under the simple name of "peas". I'm > not sure why or where the "mushy" bit came to be added. I suspect the > influx of Southerners. Again, I think there is an element of "northern" being used to mean "working class" here. While I'll agree mushy peas as an essential accompaniment to takeaway fish and chips aren't generally found in the south, they and their close relatives, processed peas and pease pudding certainly aren't unknown in the south. Shops selling takeaway pease pudding and saveloys were once a standard part of London street life, though I think they've all disappeared now. Matthew Huntbach [...] While I'll agree mushy peas as an essential > accompaniment to takeaway fish and chips aren't generally found in the > south, they and their close relatives, processed peas and pease > pudding certainly aren't unknown in the south.[...] I don't know about "essential", but the fish-and-chip shops in Melksham do sell mushy peas. A recent German visitor wanted to eat and drink traditional "English", actually specifying fish and chips, and we also took the proffered mushy peas (in a little non-traditional polystyrene pot). He supped the peas bravely, but I was glad we had cans of Wadworth 6X to take away the taste; the fish was excellent, though. (His other requests were for chicken tikka masala, real Cheddar cheese, and tea made with boiling water, and he went home with a travel bag full of Cadbury's milk chocolate and cans of Guinness.) Alan Jones > certainly aren't unknown in the south. Shops selling takeaway pease pudding > and saveloys were once a standard part of London street life, though I > think they've all disappeared now. I don't ever remember that. Savvys, wallies (pickled cucumbers) and pickled onions, I do remember. SignatureRob Bannister >> certainly aren't unknown in the south. Shops selling takeaway pease pudding >> and saveloys were once a standard part of London street life, though I >> think they've all disappeared now. > I don't ever remember that. Savvys, wallies (pickled cucumbers) and pickled > onions, I do remember. Yes, and those you'll still find in fish and chip shops. I don't remember pease pudding and saveloys myself, it's something from accounts of times past which suggest it was once a Cockney staple e.g. http://www.myhoxton.net/shoreditch&hoxton/community-memories-ian.htm though a Google on "pease pudding saveloys" is dominated by the lyrics of "Oliver!" in which the phrase appears. Matthew Huntbach >>>>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > pease pudding and saveloys were once a standard part of London street > life, though I think they've all disappeared now. For some time, the only vegetable OldBloke, from Keynsham, would eat was processed peas. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >>Again, I think there is an element of "northern" being used to mean >>"working class" here. While I'll agree mushy peas as an essential [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > For some time, the only vegetable OldBloke, from Keynsham, would eat was > processed peas. <showing her age> Ooh, is that Keynsham spelt K-E-Y-N-S-H-A-M, home of Horace Bachelor? And, look, there's a pea connection: pre Birds Eye, peas were always Bachelors. I Ggled to see whether there was a "t" in the name and found an interesting reference to a court case: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In Aerial Advertising Co. v. Batchelors Peas Ltd. (Manchester) [1938] 2 All E.R. 788, 796-797, where aerial advertising ("Eat Bachelors Peas") took place during Armistice Day services, Atkinson J. was careful to confine damages to the financial loss flowing from public boycotting of the defendant's goods and to exclude damages for loss of reputation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (http://tinyurl.com/yyst3z) As you can see, the House of Lords website seems confused about the "t" as well. SignatureLaura (emulate St. George for email) LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it: > >>Again, I think there is an element of "northern" being used to mean > >>"working class" here. While I'll agree mushy peas as an essential [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > <showing her age> Ooh, is that Keynsham spelt K-E-Y-N-S-H-A-M, home of > Horace Bachelor? And Bonzo album name (Let's all go back to our childhood ... childhood ... childhood ...) SignatureDavid ===== >> For some time, the only vegetable OldBloke, from Keynsham, would eat >> was processed peas. > > <showing her age> Ooh, is that Keynsham spelt K-E-Y-N-S-H-A-M, home of > Horace Bachelor? It is. Every time we go to visit OB's mother he points out the house where Mr B lived. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >>>>>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >For some time, the only vegetable OldBloke, from Keynsham, May I say that I was disappointed by the conclusion of that sentence. I thought we might be on to the Quatermass Experiment at the very least. >would eat was >processed peas. But we weren't. SignaturePaul In bocca al Lupo! >>>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >not sure why or where the "mushy" bit came to be added. I suspect the >influx of Southerners. The term "mushy peas" was not around WIWAL in 1940s Nottingham. My mother called concoctions of dried peas "pease pudding" and there were two distinct types. One was made of yellow split peas, soaked usually overnight, often in sodium bicarbonate solution, and then boiled to a paste which tastes like, and greatly resembles, the yellower sorts of dhal. Split peas (and lentils) are important sources of protein for meat-poor areas, as we often were during the war. The other was made of green marrowfat peas, which often seemed to be dried without splitting. Again the soaking with bicarb and boiling, but not for so long, so that the peas were still relatively whole. I also seem to remember green dye being sold with them, but can't remember if it was used during the soaking or the boiling process. My local Sainsbury's here near London sells both types ready to eat in tins, and it is not the policy of such supermarkets to stock stuff that doesn't sell, so I think people in the south still enjoy them. SignatureRobin Herts, England "mUs1Ka" <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote : > http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > An insight into Yorkshire life. > > (Google video) Yorkshire is uncommonly well-endowed with flying facilities, there being at least three airports, six active RAF bases, and Boycott(1) knows how many private airstrips within the county's historical borders. From memory, Lancashire has, well, Speke (or whatever it's called now). Oh, and Squire's Gate and Wharton. (1) a local deity (for anyone who's unaware) Philip Eden >"mUs1Ka" <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote : >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >(1) a local deity (for anyone who's unaware) I think Speke is now in Merseyside, not Lancashire, and is called Liverpool John Lennon Airport. Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. Warton is now Warton Airfield. Even though it has never been in Lancashire the main airport serving that county is of course Manchester International Airport (neé Ringway). RAF operational air bases tend to be in the east of Britain, facing potentially troublesome Europeans and Asians. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>"mUs1Ka" <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote : >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I think Speke is now in Merseyside, not Lancashire, and is called > Liverpool John Lennon Airport. That's why I sued the expression "historical boundaries". Trust them to rename it after some local politician. > Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that county is of course Manchester International Airport (neé > Ringway). That's why I didn't mention it. > RAF operational air bases tend to be in the east of Britain, facing > potentially troublesome Europeans and Asians. They'll always be Speke and Squire's Gate to me. Philip Eden Peter Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> had it: > >"mUs1Ka" <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> wrote : > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I think Speke is now in Merseyside, not Lancashire, and is called > Liverpool John Lennon Airport. There is a statue of JL within, which is occasionally bedecked in appropriate clothing, such as LUFC scarves. > Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that county is of course Manchester International Airport (neé > Ringway). I don't know if Ringway be masculine or feminine, but taking your assumption as the basis, it should be "née". I can't pronounce the word you wrote. SignatureDavid ===== > Peter Duncanson <mail@peterduncanson.net> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > There is a statue of JL within, which is occasionally bedecked in > appropriate clothing, such as LUFC scarves. Why do they put Leeds United scarves on JL's statue? SignatureRay UK mUs1Ka <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> had it: > > There is a statue of JL within, which is occasionally bedecked in > > appropriate clothing, such as LUFC scarves. > > Why do they put Leeds United scarves on JL's statue? U might wonder - I couldn't possibly comment. SignatureDavid ===== the Omrud filted: >mUs1Ka <mUs1Ka@NOSPAMexcite.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >U might wonder - I couldn't possibly comment. Performance art...it's a tribute to Yoko....r Signature"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely. >I don't know if Ringway be masculine or feminine, but taking your >assumption as the basis, it should be "née". I can't pronounce the >word you wrote. Editing error. I had the first e accented, but it was the wrong type of accent. I "corrected it". SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >From memory, Lancashire has, well, Speke (or whatever it's >called now). Oh, and Squire's Gate and Wharton. That's "Warton". I worked there, briefly, in 1974. Has it turned commercial? Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. I assume, with little confidence, that the "International" bit refers to occasional flights to the Republic of Ireland. I have driven past it innumerable times, of course, but I haven't been in there since 1968. SignatureGraeme Thomas >>From memory, Lancashire has, well, Speke (or whatever it's >>called now). Oh, and Squire's Gate and Wharton. > > That's "Warton". I worked there, briefly, in 1974. Has it turned > commercial? Well, I did say "from memory". Not commercial as far as I know. I had an interview there in 1980. Still private as far as I'm aware. > Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. I assume, with > little confidence, that the "International" bit refers to occasional > flights to the Republic of Ireland. I have driven past it innumerable > times, of course, but I haven't been in there since 1968. Yes, yes, yes, but it's still Squire's Gate, isn't it? Labels may come and labels may go, but the geographical name stays the same, surely? Philip Eden >> Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. I assume, with >> little confidence, that the "International" bit refers to occasional [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Yes, yes, yes, but it's still Squire's Gate, isn't it? Labels may come >and labels may go, but the geographical name stays the same, surely? I suspect that the name "Blackpool International Airport" will become increasingly prevalent as time marches on. It will remain, to older folk, "Squire's Gate [Airport]", but incomers will only know it by the airport signs. The fact that it's on Squire's Gate Lane may help the older name to persist. While I'm thinking about this, my only use of the airport was a trip to the Isle of Man and back. Since this was, technically, out of the UK, I wonder if that, alone, would allow the "International" tag that the place currently boasts. HM Customs were not involved in that trip. SignatureGraeme Thomas >>> Squire's Gate is now Blackpool International Airport. I assume, with >>> little confidence, that the "International" bit refers to occasional [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >wonder if that, alone, would allow the "International" tag that the >place currently boasts. That might be enough. Other scheduled international flights are to Dublin, Amsterdam. Palma (Majorca), Tenerife, Prague, etc. Also: Their planes come from Barcelona. My only use of Blackpool airport was when a flight from Manchester to Belfast was fogbound. We were coached to Blackpool and put on a flight that dropped into the Isle of Man on the way. That was also my only "visit" to the Isle of Man. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > >An insight into Yorkshire life. > >(Google video) Funny and well done. I missed some though. What is the toast that the captain uses? What are the air dorises saying at the beginning of the safety briefing? What is the significance of the ferret? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> had it: > >http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-63711994125288566 > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What is the toast that the captain uses? I think he's just saying "Champion". > What are the air dorises saying at the beginning of the safety > briefing? Right you lot, shut up, belt up, and if you can't see the bloody exits, you must be bloody blind. > What is the significance of the ferret? Keeping a ferret down one's trousers is a well-known form of entertainment in certain circles, such as Working Men's Clubs. The ferret is a traditional working animal kept by rural working men - they aren't pets. SignatureDavid ===== >Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Funny and well done. I missed some though. [snipped questions and explanations] Thank you. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. |
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