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Tony Cooper - 31 Oct 2006 23:35 GMT
I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html

Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

the Omrud - 31 Oct 2006 23:41 GMT
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

> I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
>
> Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
> those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

Goodness, is there anybody here who is familiar with all forms of
American culture?  I've been in 38 States, and I've barely scratched
the surface.

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David
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Tony Cooper - 01 Nov 2006 00:03 GMT
>Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:
>
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>Goodness, is there anybody here who is familiar with all forms of
>American culture?  

Areff is.  If he hasn't experienced or seen it, he still manages to
have an opinion.

>I've been in 38 States, and I've barely scratched
>the surface.

States?  With a capital "S"?

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Tony Cooper
Orlando, FL

the Omrud - 01 Nov 2006 00:12 GMT
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

> >Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> States?  With a capital "S"?

I wondered about it at the time.  The simple word "state" to me means
a country with an independent government, army, foreign policy, etc.  
Since the term "United States" has a capital S, I reused it.  But I
don't insist on it, or even think it's particularly correct.

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Garrett Wollman - 01 Nov 2006 00:23 GMT
>I wondered about it at the time.  The simple word "state" to me means
>a country with an independent government, army, foreign policy, etc.  
>Since the term "United States" has a capital S, I reused it.  But I
>don't insist on it, or even think it's particularly correct.

That is certainly the usage of the late Georgian and early Federal
period, as seen, for example, in the text of the Constitution.  I'm
not sure when this usage fell out of favor; now capitalized "State" is
generally only used in the context of a partially-elided proper noun
-- "My father works for the State", or "The State now requires that
frobbotzim be inspected for gungenflush fatigue every five years" --
and even there the lower-case would be considered acceptable by many.
Of course, the ceremonial name of most states is "The State of ____"
where the "State" is part of a proper noun (phrase).[1]

-GAWollman

[1] There are four states which are known ceremonially as "The
Commonwealth of ____"; Massachusetts and Virginia retain more odd
historical names of this sort than do the other two, Pennsylvania and
Kentucky.

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wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those   | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL.     | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness

Garrett Wollman - 31 Oct 2006 23:56 GMT
>Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
>those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

In <http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html>, Tony
writes:

> Some signs out in front of churches just give list the times and
> types of service, but many include pithy little religious
> sayings. I've always wondered if pastors subscribe to services that
> come up with them.

Yes.  I've come across one or two of them in researching quotations
for Wikiquote.

(The number and variety of religious organizations in the U.S. must be
bewildering for many foreign visitors.  Even the Boy Scouts here are a
religious organization....)

-GAWollman

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Garrett A. Wollman   | The real tragedy of human existence is not that we are
wollman@csail.mit.edu| nasty by nature, but that a cruel structural asymmetry
Opinions not those   | grants to rare events of meanness such power to shape
of MIT or CSAIL.     | our history. - S.J. Gould, Ten Thousand Acts of Kindness

R H Draney - 01 Nov 2006 00:19 GMT
Garrett Wollman filted:

>In <http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html>, Tony
>writes:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Yes.  I've come across one or two of them in researching quotations
>for Wikiquote.

Did I post this here before?...a little something from Our Lady Of Obsessive
Precision:

 http://members.cox.net/radishman/Set176_01.jpg

....r

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Robin Bignall - 01 Nov 2006 00:36 GMT
>>Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
>>those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>bewildering for many foreign visitors.  Even the Boy Scouts here are a
>religious organization....)

So are Scouts here, according to their pledge and laws (latest version
appears to be 1993):

Pledge.

1. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all.
2. On my honour I will without fear or reward, protect the weak,
defend the helpless and assist my neighbour.
3. On my honour I will keep the Scout Law.

laws.

1. A Scout is honourable, truthful and reliable.
2. A Scout is loyal to the Queen, his/her Country, his/her Parents,
his/her Officers and to comrades high and low.  
3. A Scout is helpful to others, whatever it may cost him/her.
4. A Scout is a friend to all and a brother/sister to all other
Scouts.
5. A Scout is courteous to all.
6. A Scout is kind to animals.
7. A Scout is obedient and follows orders from his/her Parents and
Officers promptly.
8. A Scout is cheerful and takes trouble with a trusting grace.
9. A Scout is self-reliant and a good steward of his/her possessions.
10. A Scout is upright in his/her conduct.
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the Omrud - 01 Nov 2006 10:51 GMT
Robin Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> had it:

> >(The number and variety of religious organizations in the U.S. must be
> >bewildering for many foreign visitors.  Even the Boy Scouts here are a
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> defend the helpless and assist my neighbour.
> 3. On my honour I will keep the Scout Law.

...

Apart from the downright illegal, the only thing which automatically
disqualifies one from becoming a scout leader is atheism.

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David
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Jeffrey Turner - 01 Nov 2006 23:05 GMT
> Robin Bignall <docrobin@ntlworld.com> had it:
>
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> Apart from the downright illegal, the only thing which automatically
> disqualifies one from becoming a scout leader is atheism.

When I was a Cub Scout, nobody asked.  'Course that was in the U.S.
Here they're more worried you might be gay.  I'm really no fan of the
organization.

--Jeff

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show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
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ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 09:51 GMT
Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> had it:

> > Apart from the downright illegal, the only thing which automatically
> > disqualifies one from becoming a scout leader is atheism.
>
> When I was a Cub Scout, nobody asked.  'Course that was in the U.S.
> Here they're more worried you might be gay.  I'm really no fan of the
> organization.

It's not an issue for those joining the Scouts as children - it's
only a disqualification for those who want to be Scout *leaders*.

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Evan Kirshenbaum - 01 Nov 2006 00:57 GMT
> I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
>
> Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
> those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

The sign for the "True Holiness United Pentecostal Church of Jesus
Inc." made me wonder about the corporation they apparently worship.

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Jeffrey Turner - 01 Nov 2006 23:06 GMT
>>I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
>>http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> The sign for the "True Holiness United Pentecostal Church of Jesus
> Inc." made me wonder about the corporation they apparently worship.

It's all perfectly legit, you can even get a loan right in the temple.

--Jeff

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Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant

John O'Flaherty - 01 Nov 2006 02:52 GMT
> I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
>
> Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
> those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

Very nice pictures, Tony. The one with the porch reminded me of my
grandfather's house in Cleveland, where I would sit in a rocking chair
and read as a child. He had a coal chute and a coal bin to fuel the
furnace, and later converted to gas. The basement was an endlessly
fascinating place, with a big workbench, giant ancient soldering irons
on gas rings, and wooden bins with all kinds of interesting junk. There
was a storage bin behind a door cut into the basement wall for storing
perishables, I guess before electric refrigeration.
I drove by there a few years ago, just to take a look at the house.
The neigborhood had converted into a ghetto; there was a group of black
teenagers in the street, and one of them challenged me, saying "What do
you think this is, a tourist area?". I thought of stopping and telling
him that I'd lived there from age zero to five, about five decades
before, but then I thought better of it and drove on.
--
John
Will - 01 Nov 2006 09:35 GMT
> I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
>
> Nothing spectacular, but some things that might be interesting to
> those who are not familiar with all forms of American culture.

Just clicked on the link and it appears to be broken.

Will.
Tony Cooper - 01 Nov 2006 13:22 GMT
>> I've just put up another PhotoTour page at
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~tony_cooper213/auemisc.html
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Just clicked on the link and it appears to be broken.

The link itself is good, but there seems to be trouble in connecting
to the any home.earthlink.net site this morning.  Evidently, a server
problem.  Try the link later.

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Orlando, FL

 
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