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Tony Cooper - 01 Nov 2006 06:35 GMT
I watched the new "Cracker" episode tonight and noticed the Ferris
Wheel in the background of the scenes.  Not being used to seeing
Ferris Wheels in cityscapes, I thought maybe there was some sort of
fair going on in Manchester.  No, it seems that this is some sort of
permanent fixture in Exchange Square.  I can't explain why this
surprises me, but it does seem like a more entertaining feature than a
statue of Prince Albert.  

I do hope that Robbie Coltrane was kept too busy on the set for a
ride.  I don't know if the Ferris Wheel motor is powerful enough to
get him off the ground.

American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
Wheels do a driving-on-the-left thing and turn the opposite way.

For an interesting history of George Ferris's invention, see:
http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/newsletter.html

 
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Rob Allsopp - 01 Nov 2006 09:50 GMT
Hi Tony.

The wheel was a temporary installation in the square. From memory it
was here for about 9 months before being moved to Leeds. It came to
Manchester from Paris.
Rob (Manchester)
the Omrud - 01 Nov 2006 11:12 GMT
Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

> I watched the new "Cracker" episode tonight and noticed the Ferris
> Wheel in the background of the scenes.  Not being used to seeing
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> surprises me, but it does seem like a more entertaining feature than a
> statue of Prince Albert.  

It's not permanent, but a moveable thing - this was the third time
we've had it there.  I think it's also been to Birmingham.  It spends
a few months in each city.   Some shots of the church where the
wedding took place was my very own cathedral (almost directly below
the wheel), where I sing in a choir, but some of the interior shots
were from a different church.

Our statue of Prince Albert is (dur) in Albert Square, outside the
Town Hall (a small name for the grandest of Victorian Gothic
buildings).  Queen Victoria is in Piccadilly Gardens, looking up
Lever Street.

> I do hope that Robbie Coltrane was kept too busy on the set for a
> ride.  I don't know if the Ferris Wheel motor is powerful enough to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
> Wheels do a driving-on-the-left thing and turn the opposite way.

I don't think it is a Ferris Wheel in that sense - it goes round very
slowly, like the London Eye, and one sits in a little cabin rather
than in a seat.  The point of it is to get the view from the top.  It
would be mightily cold at 100 feet above the Manchester streets in
December if one were sitting in the open.

We have real Ferris Wheels in Blackpool, but they aren't usually
found in cities.

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Dick Chambers - 01 Nov 2006 18:35 GMT
> It's not permanent, but a moveable thing - this was the third time
> we've had it there.  I think it's also been to Birmingham.  It spends
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> would be mightily cold at 100 feet above the Manchester streets in
> December if one were sitting in the open.

There is a "London Eye" type of Ferris Wheel in York, with cabins. I have
not yet been on it, and I do not know whether it is permanent or temporary.
It was sufficiently large that I could see it, with the aid of binoculars,
from the southern slopes of the North York Moors, some 15-20 miles away.

Apart from the self-evident choice of London, York is an ideal place to
install a large commercial Ferris Wheel. Unlike Manchester and Leeds, you
have something beautiful to look at while you're taking your flight in York.

Richard Chambers        Leeds   UK.
Charles Riggs - 02 Nov 2006 16:37 GMT
>> It's not permanent, but a moveable thing - this was the third time
>> we've had it there.  I think it's also been to Birmingham.  It spends
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>Richard Chambers        Leeds   UK.

For your sake, I hope it is not a "flight".

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LFS - 02 Nov 2006 16:42 GMT
>>Apart from the self-evident choice of London, York is an ideal place to
>>install a large commercial Ferris Wheel. Unlike Manchester and Leeds, you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> For your sake, I hope it is not a "flight".

That's what they call trips on the London Eye, perhaps because it is
sponsored by British Airways...
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 19:50 GMT
Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net> had it:

> On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 17:39:48 GMT, "Dick Chambers"
>
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>
> For your sake, I hope it is not a "flight".

The London Eye, at least, calls it a "flight"
http://www.londoneye.com/

Although it is owned by British Airways.

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LFS - 02 Nov 2006 20:18 GMT
> Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net> had it:
>
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>
> Although it is owned by British Airways.

Ahem.

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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 21:01 GMT
LFS <laura@DRAGONspira.fsbusiness.co.uk> had it:

> > Charles Riggs <chriggs@éircom.net> had it:
> >
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>
> Ahem.

Yes?  Oh, were you pointing out that you'd already given the answer?  
For some reason I hadn't seen it before replying.  But you surely get
the sheep.

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scally - 02 Nov 2006 18:29 GMT
> Apart from the self-evident choice of London, York is an ideal place to
> install a large commercial Ferris Wheel. Unlike Manchester and Leeds, you
> have something beautiful to look at while you're taking your flight in York.

I think you will find the victorian architecture in Manchester is both
beautiful and iconic.

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/manchester/m9195.htm
Dick Chambers - 02 Nov 2006 19:02 GMT
>> Apart from the self-evident choice of London, York is an ideal place to
>> install a large commercial Ferris Wheel. Unlike Manchester and Leeds, you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/manchester/m9195.htm

Yes, I know, I live in Leeds.  Leeds and Manchester are very similar, and
have a fascinating shared history of the industrial revolution, Luddism,
Chartism, and rapid industrial growth during the period 1780 to 1914. Leeds
Town Hall, like the one in Manchester, is a national treasure. I do not
denigrate Manchester, because to do so would be to denigrate Leeds, a city
that I have grown to love in the 34 years I have lived here.

But this stark beauty, of an ever-decreasing remanant industrial revolution
component intermixed with modern functionality, is not what draws large
numbers of tourists. That is why the siting of the large Ferris wheel in
York makes economic sense.

Meanwhile, an increasing number of people have become acquainted with what
Leeds, Bradford (in particular) and Manchester can offer to the
well-informed tourist. Tourism here is on the increase. In Leeds, I can
particularly recommend a trip to see Thwaites Mill, a water-powered mill
that remained in production until 1972. It is now a working museum.

Richard Chambers        Leeds   UK.
scally - 02 Nov 2006 20:42 GMT
> But this stark beauty, of an ever-decreasing remanant industrial revolution
> component intermixed with modern functionality, is not what draws large
> numbers of tourists. That is why the siting of the large Ferris wheel in
> York makes economic sense.

Why on earth would any tourist want to see the medieval stained glass
of York Minster from a Ferris wheel when the could be admiring the air
handling units on Selfridges roof in Manchester? On second thoughts you
might just have a point.

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/v/manchester2006/aa02221b-big-wheel-aerial
.jpg.html

the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 20:17 GMT
scally <scally1976@yahoo.co.uk> had it:

> > Apart from the self-evident choice of London, York is an ideal place to
> > install a large commercial Ferris Wheel. Unlike Manchester and Leeds, you
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/manchester/m9195.htm

Ooh, look, there's Albert at the bottom, in his memorial.

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Amethyst Deceiver - 03 Nov 2006 15:51 GMT
>> It's not permanent, but a moveable thing - this was the third time
>> we've had it there.  I think it's also been to Birmingham.  It spends
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> aid of binoculars, from the southern slopes of the North York Moors,
> some 15-20 miles away.

York's where the Manchester wheel went to. I'm tempted to go over for a
ride - I could have gone in Manchester but, well, the views are far
better in York!

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scally - 03 Nov 2006 18:36 GMT
> York's where the Manchester wheel went to. I'm tempted to go over for a
> ride - I could have gone in Manchester but, well, the views are far
> better in York!

If it s the same wheel then it is back in Manchester from 4/11/06 to
7/1/07. I hope I have saved you a wasted journey.

http://www.visitmanchester.com/WhatsOnDetail.aspx?ProductId=7869
Amethyst Deceiver - 04 Nov 2006 15:05 GMT
>> York's where the Manchester wheel went to. I'm tempted to go over for a
>> ride - I could have gone in Manchester but, well, the views are far
>> better in York!
>
>If it s the same wheel then it is back in Manchester from 4/11/06 to
>7/1/07. I hope I have saved you a wasted journey.

Oh, you have! YoungBloke will be pleased, he loved the London Eye and
a Christmas trip on the Manchester Wheel will be a treat.
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My accent may vary

Ray - 01 Nov 2006 22:33 GMT
> Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:

>> American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards
>> on the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> We have real Ferris Wheels in Blackpool, but they aren't usually
> found in cities.

The first Ferris Wheel, at the World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago
in 1893, was 250 feet in diameter and had enclosed cars holding up to
60 passengers each.  Mr. Ferris thought big.

Here's a picture, along with more than you might want to know:
<http://www.hydeparkhistory.org/newsletter.html>

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sage - 01 Nov 2006 22:59 GMT
> Tony Cooper <tony_cooper213@earthlink.net> had it:
>
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> We have real Ferris Wheels in Blackpool, but they aren't usually
> found in cities.

But we always called it the "Big" Wheel, didn't we? (How many are there
in Blackpool. I only recall one.) The Ferris name didn't enter my vocab
until I came over here to North America.

Cheers, Sage
the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 09:57 GMT
sage <sage@allstream.net> had it:

> > We have real Ferris Wheels in Blackpool, but they aren't usually
> > found in cities.
>
> But we always called it the "Big" Wheel, didn't we? (How many are there
> in Blackpool. I only recall one.) The Ferris name didn't enter my vocab
> until I came over here to North America.

True - it's a Big Wheel.  I'm not sure how many there are in
Blackpool - there's one on the centre (I think) pier, but there might
be another in the Pleasure Beach (which is not a beach, but a place
with rides).

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Graeme Thomas - 02 Nov 2006 21:54 GMT
>sage <sage@allstream.net> had it:

>> But we always called it the "Big" Wheel, didn't we? (How many are there
>> in Blackpool. I only recall one.) The Ferris name didn't enter my vocab
>> until I came over here to North America.

I'm having some difficulty in remembering the exact sequence, but I
think that my first knowledge of a Ferris Wheel was when I saw one on
the Isle of Man, in 1968.

>True - it's a Big Wheel.  I'm not sure how many there are in
>Blackpool - there's one on the centre (I think) pier, but there might
>be another in the Pleasure Beach (which is not a beach, but a place
>with rides).

I'm reasonably sure that the Pleasure Beach doesn't have a Ferris (or
Big) Wheel.  It has a Big Dipper, instead.

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Hatunen - 01 Nov 2006 17:59 GMT
>I watched the new "Cracker" episode tonight and noticed the Ferris
>Wheel in the background of the scenes.  Not being used to seeing
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
>Wheels do a driving-on-the-left thing and turn the opposite way.

The intent is to have the seats going forward over the top so
that the rider feels like he is dropping into nothingness.

One of the large department stores in San Francisco, now defunct,
used to have an annual Christmas carnival on its rooftop, about
seven stories up. The ferris wheel was always set to that the
downward ride was well over the edge of the roof.

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scally - 02 Nov 2006 20:16 GMT
> American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
> the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
> Wheels do a driving-on-the-left thing and turn the opposite way.

Ferris wheels only turn in opposite drections when they are on opposite
hemispheres of the world in a similar way to the direcion of spin of
water down a plug hole. It has something to do with the spin of the
earth.
Dick Chambers - 02 Nov 2006 22:36 GMT
>> American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
>> the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
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> water down a plug hole. It has something to do with the spin of the
> earth.

I know, of course, that your posting was not meant to be taken seriously.
But there is a power station somewhere in Britain (I think it may be
Dungeness, but I am not sure), where they have designed the system so that
the two generators spin in opposite directions. This is because the entire
power station is built onto a concrete platform, whose foundations are
effectively "floating"[1] on sand, rather than embedded into rock. The rotor
of a generator weighs about 200 tonnes, and spins at 3000 revolutions per
minute (i.e. 50 revolutions per second). With this spin being superimposed
upon the underlying slow rotation of the earth, it was calculated that if
both generators were allowed to spin in the same direction, the gyroscopic
effect would cause the entire power station very gradually to turn round.
Over a period of years, this would have misaligned the roads on the power
station site with the incoming roads, and generallywould have caused havoc.
With the two generators spinning in opposite directions, the gyroscopic
effect of one generator is cancelled by the gyroscopic effect of the other,
and the power station site will not turn.

[1] Floating, yes, but not really in the conventional sense of the word.

Richard Chambers        Leeds   UK.
Peter Moylan - 05 Nov 2006 07:40 GMT
>> American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
>>  the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> spin of water down a plug hole. It has something to do with the spin
> of the earth.

There are also Coriolis forces to consider. At the equator a
properly-aligned Ferris wheel - that is, one planned in conformance with
the principles of Feng Shui - has its spin axis parallel to the spin
axis of the Earth, which increases or decreases the net speed depending
on which way you spin the thing. At the North or South Pole the spin
axis is at right angles to the spin axis of the Earth, producing a
sideways force that will tend to fling you out of your seat. This is why
you'll never see a Ferris wheel at either of the poles. Personally, I'd
never want to ride one even at the latitude of the north of England.

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Mike Barnes - 12 Nov 2006 12:50 GMT
In alt.usage.english, Tony Cooper wrote:
>I watched the new "Cracker" episode tonight and noticed the Ferris
>Wheel in the background of the scenes.  Not being used to seeing
>Ferris Wheels in cityscapes, I thought maybe there was some sort of
>fair going on in Manchester.  No, it seems that this is some sort of
>permanent fixture in Exchange Square.

Actually it's not permanent. It was first installed in Paris, then
Birmingham, Manchester, Amsterdam, and Bangkok.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roue_de_Paris

It recently returned to Manchester for the Christmas (AmE: Holiday)
season (04/11/2006 - 07/01/2007).

  http://visitmanchester.com/WhatsOnDetail.aspx?ProductId=7869

>American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
>the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
>Wheels do a driving-on-the-left thing and turn the opposite way.

That sounds very complicated. How do you stop the down-most on-the-way-
up seat (going backwards) crashing into the down-most on-the-way-down
seat (going forwards, you say)?

But AFAIK the Wheel of Manchester isn't English (it's Swiss-made IIRC)
and it doesn't have seats. Passengers stand in glass-walled cabins, and
can face any way they like.

  http://www.traveljournals.net/pictures/65494.html

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Tony Cooper - 12 Nov 2006 16:23 GMT
>>American Ferris Wheels turn so the down-most seat goes backwards on
>>the way up, and forward on the way down.  I wonder if English Ferris
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>up seat (going backwards) crashing into the down-most on-the-way-down
>seat (going forwards, you say)?

The seats are fixed in position on the wheel...as each seat moves, the
others move but remain in their fixed relationship to the others.

For a diagram of a typical Ferris Wheel:
http://www.madehow.com/images/hpm_0000_0006_0_img0056.jpg

My comment about direction was intended only as a joke.  It wouldn't
make any difference which way the wheel turns.  The occupant of a seat
gets a better view, though, if the downward part of the turn has the
seat on the front-side of the wheel.

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