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Dick Chambers - 01 Nov 2006 19:07 GMT I thank eveybody who contributed to the short "Poppers" thread. By your help, I now understand what poppers are. There are a few other words that have arrived on the scene recently, and I thought it would be a good idea to use this opportunity to bring myself back into the 21st century by asking what they actually mean.
Before I tell you what I want to learn about, I would like to suggest that other contributors to aue might also like to use this thread to bring themselves up to date with the new words that are bugging them.
My own questions, for the present, are:-
1. What is (an) IPOD? What does it do? What do the letters stand for?
2. What, precisely, does the verb "download" mean. Is this merely to call up a website and view it? Or does one have to permanently store the contents of the website on the hard disc before one could could be said to have "downloaded" it. This always puzzles me every time there is an item on the news about the arrest of another internet paedophile saddie, who has "downloaded" 4,527 pictures of abused children.
3. What is the difference between a worm and a trojan? What other types of virus are there?
I shall add to this list as I think of new items. As I said above, I invite other readers to do the same.
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
the Omrud - 01 Nov 2006 19:20 GMT Dick Chambers <richard.chambers7@ntlworld.com> had it:
> I thank eveybody who contributed to the short "Poppers" thread. By your > help, I now understand what poppers are. There are a few other words that > have arrived on the scene recently, Recently? Poppers have been around for decades.
> and I thought it would be a good idea to > use this opportunity to bring myself back into the 21st century by asking [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > 1. What is (an) IPOD? What does it do? What do the letters stand for? An MP3 player made by Apple. It's a brand name, written iPod but I don't think it's an acronym. It has given rise to the terms "podcasting" and "podcast" which apply even where no iPod is involved.
MP3, and others including WMA and Ogg Vorbis, are algorithms for compressing audio and video so that they are still at acceptable quality but take up far less space. The iPod is an audio or video device which plays these files from an internal hard disk or solid state memory, usually through headphones, with a small screen for videos. This is what I have: http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php? products_id=784 http://tinyurl.com/en2e5 it has a 20 Gb hard drive. I won't buy iPods because of the proprietary way in which they tie you into their own software. My device will work with any PC or Mac and requires no special transfer software.
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Buckwheat Soba - 01 Nov 2006 18:55 GMT > Dick Chambers <richard.chambers7@ntlworld.com> had it: >> >> 1. What is (an) IPOD? What does it do? What do the letters stand for? > > An MP3 player made by Apple. It's a brand name, written iPod but I > don't think it's an acronym. Nor do I. I do think that the "i" is supposed to be taken from "Internet" (cf. "iMac"), and I think the "pod" is due to the shape of the device, or its original versions.
> I won't buy iPods because of the > proprietary way in which they tie you into their own software. Good man.
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Charles Riggs - 02 Nov 2006 17:20 GMT >> Dick Chambers <richard.chambers7@ntlworld.com> had it: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Good man. Indeed. Apple tries to tie users to both their hardware and their software. The reverse was the technical beauty, and the business failing, of the IBM PCs.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 01 Nov 2006 19:30 GMT > MP3, and others including WMA and Ogg Vorbis, are algorithms for > compressing audio and video so that they are still at acceptable [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > device will work with any PC or Mac and requires no special transfer > software. I held off for a long time, but finally became convinced that this wasn't actually true. Aside from a single required use of iTunes when you start up, you can completely disregard their software for transfer (or any other reason). It mounts as a disk, and I use Winamp to manage my music and a backup program to give me an encrypted backup of my more important files. (I've gotten sufficiently frustrated with the fact that I can't find synchronizing software that does things the way I want that I'm currently looking into writing my own. It doesn't look difficult.)
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 09:45 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it:
> I held off for a long time, but finally became convinced that this > wasn't actually true. Aside from a single required use of iTunes when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > way I want that I'm currently looking into writing my own. It doesn't > look difficult.) I nearly started to write my own as well, but I have discovered two "near enough" solutions: Microsoft Synch Toy, and Allway Synch (shareware with free use for low volume work). And for a backup solution with encryption, Polder Backup.
I also eschew iPods partly on the basis that they are too trendy.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 02 Nov 2006 16:50 GMT > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (shareware with free use for low volume work). And for a backup > solution with encryption, Polder Backup. As near as I can tell, those just synchronize at the folder level. That's easy. The tricky parts are (1) correctly modifying the iTunesDB file so that the iPod sees the files as music that can be played and (2) picking the tracks to move over and the tracks to remove when there is more on my computer than I have room for on my iPod. It's that last that's causing me to consider writing my own.
> I also eschew iPods partly on the basis that they are too trendy. Just as the fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you, the fact that something's trendy doesn't mean that it isn't really nice to have. I've only had mine since August, but I find I use it a lot.
One thing that made me decide to go with an iPod rather than another type of MP3 player was that I could get an adaptor that let me plug it into our car's stereo system for real (e.g., line level input so that the volume control is on the stereo, pause and next track buttons work) rather than using one of those FM transmitters or the like, which don't work very well. It's quite nice having a full range of albums to choose from when in the car.
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 19:47 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it:
> > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > remove when there is more on my computer than I have room for on my > iPod. It's that last that's causing me to consider writing my own. (1) isn't necessary on my Archos - you copy the files across and it indexes them based on the tags. I haven't hit (2) yet as I have 20 Gb, but I suppose it will come along.
> > I also eschew iPods partly on the basis that they are too trendy. > > Just as the fact that you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to > get you, the fact that something's trendy doesn't mean that it isn't > really nice to have. I've only had mine since August, but I find I > use it a lot. Oh sure, I just want to retain my individuality.
> One thing that made me decide to go with an iPod rather than another > type of MP3 player was that I could get an adaptor that let me plug it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > which don't work very well. It's quite nice having a full range of > albums to choose from when in the car. That might have given me some cause for consideration, but my car doesn't have any type of input. I have got an FM transmitter - they are still illegal in the UK but the word is that they will be legalised by January.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 02 Nov 2006 21:50 GMT > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That might have given me some cause for consideration, but my car > doesn't have any type of input. You might be surprised. If there was an option to have a CD changer in the trunk, the stereo probably has a jack in the back that you can plug into. That's what the iPod2car unit I installed does. It pretends to be a CD changer.
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 23:46 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it:
> > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > plug into. That's what the iPod2car unit I installed does. It > pretends to be a CD changer. Nope; the radio, sat nav and CD changer is a combined unit in the dashboard.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 02 Nov 2006 21:57 GMT > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > indexes them based on the tags. I haven't hit (2) yet as I have 20 > Gb, but I suppose it will come along. There's something to be said for both approaches. On the one hand, it's nice that it does the indexing itself. On the other hand, that means that it needs to notice new files and extract the tags, which could be expensive if a lot is moved at once, whereas with the index file approach, it just has to read in one 5MB file that has (or purports to have) all of the information it needs.
Not, of course, that Apple publishes the specification of that file, but it's been sufficiently reverse engineered that writing synchronizers that manage it is pretty straightforward.
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 23:48 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it:
> > Evan Kirshenbaum <kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > file approach, it just has to read in one 5MB file that has (or > purports to have) all of the information it needs. I agree, but they seem to have cracked it - it takes less than a minute to index 2000 files, and it's bright enough only to index new files (it waits until you pull out the USB cord) which usually takes only five seconds or so.
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R H Draney - 02 Nov 2006 16:54 GMT the Omrud filted:
>I also eschew iPods partly on the basis that they are too trendy. The battle call of the neo-Luddite: "I don't like them because everybody else has one"....r
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 19:49 GMT R H Draney <dadoctah@spamcop.net> had it:
> the Omrud filted: > > > >I also eschew iPods partly on the basis that they are too trendy. > > The battle call of the neo-Luddite: "I don't like them because everybody else > has one"....r I am surely no form of Luddite, being in fact a gadget freak with nerdy tendencies and a house and garage full of computers. It's the brand I object to.
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Eric Schwartz - 02 Nov 2006 01:36 GMT > I won't buy iPods because of the proprietary way in which they tie > you into their own software. My device will work with any PC or Mac > and requires no special transfer software. As will my iPod. Of course, you'll have to install Linux on that PC or Mac first, but since I'd probably do that anyway, no great loss.
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 02 Nov 2006 16:51 GMT >> I won't buy iPods because of the proprietary way in which they tie >> you into their own software. My device will work with any PC or Mac >> and requires no special transfer software. > > As will my iPod. Of course, you'll have to install Linux on that PC > or Mac first, but since I'd probably do that anyway, no great loss. Actually, you don't. I use Winamp
http://www.winamp.com/
which is free and which is what I had been using to manage my music files before I got my iPod. It can do it by itself, but I also use a plug-in
http://www.mlipod.com/
that is a bit nicer. I see that there's a new minor version that promises "a lot of improvements of the sync process", so I should probably check that out before writing my own synchronizer, although it doesn't look tremendously difficult.
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Sara Lorimer - 02 Nov 2006 19:51 GMT > My > device will work with any PC or Mac and requires no special transfer > software. I don't know if my iPod works on any other platforms (if that's the right word), because I've never hooked it up to any computer other than my own. Why would I? What am I missing?
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 20:03 GMT Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> had it:
> > My > > device will work with any PC or Mac and requires no special transfer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > right word), because I've never hooked it up to any computer other than > my own. Why would I? What am I missing? Some MP3 players are just external drives as far as the PC or Mac is concerned. I can plug mine into any PC and use it like a flash/thumb drive.
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Sara Lorimer - 02 Nov 2006 20:19 GMT > Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > concerned. I can plug mine into any PC and use it like a flash/thumb > drive. I see. That isn't something I would need to do, as far as I can tell -- I work on just the one computer.
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the Omrud - 02 Nov 2006 21:05 GMT Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> had it:
> > Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> had it: > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I see. That isn't something I would need to do, as far as I can tell -- > I work on just the one computer. Good grief, how do you manage? I've got six or seven in the house, a dozen in the garage in various stages of repair, and around 30,000 at work.
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Sara Lorimer - 02 Nov 2006 21:56 GMT > Sara Lorimer <que.sara.saraDELETE@gmail.com> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dozen in the garage in various stages of repair, and around 30,000 at > work. Somehow we struggle along with just four in the house (and one on loan to a friend). Poor little me...
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Garrett Wollman - 01 Nov 2006 19:23 GMT >1. What is (an) IPOD? What does it do? What do the letters stand for? iPod is a trade name for Apple Computer's brand of portable music player. It does not stand for anything.
>2. What, precisely, does the verb "download" mean. Historically, to download was to copy, over a communications link, a data file from a large computer to a smaller computer. (In the opposite direction the word would be "upload".) Now, as with "log on", the term has lost most vestiges of meaning.
>Is this merely to call up a website and view it? Or does one have to >permanently store the contents of the website on the hard disc before >one could could be said to have "downloaded" it. In JournoE, either gloss is possible.
>3. What is the difference between a worm and a trojan? What other types of >virus are there? Again, historic distinctions have been muddled by recent journalistic sloppiness. These are all instances of a category of software called "malware". A worm is an autonomous program which copies itself to other systems; the first one to gain notoriety outside the computing community was Robert Tappan Morris's back in the late 1980s. Worms require some sort of communications network to spread. A virus, on the other hand, is not autonomous: some sort of action on the part of the user is required. A trojan, more properly a Trojan horse, is a program masquerading as something innocuous that actually causes damage to a system. Modern malware often incorporates elements of all three of these: one program I had reason to investigate about five years ago spread itself by sending a screen saver (i.e., a trojan) to everyone in an infected user's address book, which of course depends on the recipients opening the email to actually propagate (making it a virus); it would also scan networks for known Windows vulnerabilities and propagate autonomously (making it a worm).
(It was actually quite a clever implementation in a number of ways.)
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Evan Kirshenbaum - 01 Nov 2006 21:10 GMT >>1. What is (an) IPOD? What does it do? What do the letters stand for? > > iPod is a trade name for Apple Computer's brand of portable music > player. It does not stand for anything. Although the "i" historically comes from "iMac", for which it stood for "Internet". As for the "pod",
The iPod name was offered up by Vinnie Chieco, a freelance copywriter who lives in San Francisco. Chieco was recruited by Apple to be part of a small team tasked with helping figure out how to introduce the new player to the general public, not just computer geeks.
During the process, Jobs had settled on the player's descriptive tag line -- "1,000 songs in your pocket" -- so the name was freed up from having to be descriptive. It didn't have to reference music or songs.
While describing the player, Jobs constantly referred to Apple's digital hub strategy: The Mac is a hub, or central connection point, for a host of gadgets. This prompted Chieco to start thinking about hubs: objects that other things connect to.
The ultimate hub, Chieco figured, would be a spaceship. You could leave the spaceship in a smaller vessel, a pod, but you'd have to return to the mother ship to refuel and get food. Then Chieco was shown a prototype iPod, with its stark white plastic front.
"As soon as I saw the white iPod, I thought 2001," said Chieco. "Open the pod bay door, Hal!"
Then it was just a matter of adding the "i" prefix, as in "iMac."
Chieco declined to mention any of the alternative names that were considered. A source at Apple confirmed Chieco's story.
Athol Foden, a naming expert and president of Brighter Naming of Mountain View, California, noted that Apple had already trademarked the iPod name for an internet kiosk, a project that never saw the light of day. On July 24, 2000, Apple registered the iPod name for "a public internet kiosk enclosure containing computer equipment," according to the filing.
Chieco said the internet kiosk is probably a coincidence. He suggested that maybe another team at Apple registered the name for a different project, but because of the company's penchant for secrecy, his team wasn't aware what the other had done. And neither, apparently, was Steve Jobs. Chieco said neither Jobs -- nor anyone else -- seemed aware that the company had already registered the iPod trademark.
"The name 'iPod' makes much more sense for an internet kiosk, which is a pod for a human, than a music player," said Foden.
"They discovered in their tool chest of registered names they had 'iPod,'" he added. "If you think about the product, it doesn't really fit. But it doesn't matter. It's short and sweet."
Foden said the name is a stroke of genius: It is simple, memorable and, crucially, it doesn't describe the device, so it can still be used as the technology evolves, even if the device's function changes. He noted the "i" prefix has a double meaning: It can mean "internet," as in "iMac," or it can denote the first person: "I," as in me.
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Eric Schwartz - 02 Nov 2006 01:49 GMT > Worms require some sort of communications network to spread. While I generally agree with you, I'm not sure this is necessarily so. I'm thinking of a virus I heard of that will automatically copy itself (along with some porn, to induce the user to open it and install the virus) to a USB device when it's inserted into an infected computer. It doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to extend that to full-fledged worm status, where the worm is automatically installed to any computer the device is plugged into.
I suppose in that case you could argue the communications network is 'sneakernet'[0], but that might be stretching it a bit even for some technically-inclined readers.
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[0] A common pun on the word 'ethernet', which describes a set of computer networking technologies. 'Sneakernet' uses sneakers, i.e., people walking around, to move information from one point to another. By analogy, 'ethernet' should use 'ether', and arguably with the advent of the 802.11 family of standards, it does[1].
[1] Here's a quote from the memo where Bob Metcalfe describes how he coined the name 'ethernet':
The word ether came from lumeniferous ether -- the omnipresent passive medium once theorized to carry electromagnetic waves through space, in particular light from the Sun to the Earth. Around the time of Einstein's Theory of Relativity, the light-bearing ether was proven not to exist. So, looking to name our LAN's omnipresent passive medium, then a coaxial cable, which would propagate electromagnetic waves, namely data packets, I chose to recycle ether. Hence, Ethernet.
Garrett Wollman - 02 Nov 2006 20:52 GMT >> Worms require some sort of communications network to spread. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >full-fledged worm status, where the worm is automatically installed to >any computer the device is plugged into. That's pretty much the definition of the classic MacOS floppy virus. Back in the days of yore (we're talking System 5 here), Macintosh disks could contain code resources which were automatically loaded and executed whenever the disk was inserted. (Similar in concept to the evil Windows AUTORUN.INI, only even more automated and with no means of disablement.) A common sort of virus on the Mac at that time would start from an infected floppy, make itself permanently resident, and then copy itself to every disk inserted into the machine. This doesn't meet the definition of a worm because the worm can only spread when user inserts an uninfected disk into an infected machine -- it's not autonomous.
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Don Phillipson - 01 Nov 2006 19:32 GMT > 2. What, precisely, does the verb "download" mean. Is this merely to call > up a website and view it? Or does one have to permanently store the contents > of the website on the hard disc before one could could be said to have > "downloaded" it. This always puzzles me every time there is an item on the > news about the arrest of another internet paedophile saddie, who has > "downloaded" 4,527 pictures of abused children. Upload and Download were coined when the most common computers were "main frames" with multiple terminals. When you sent a file from your terminal to the main frame (modern server) you uploaded it: ad when you had a file sent to you you downloaded it.
This usage was extended to the Interet. You at your standalone home PC upload files to the Internet (or to another computer) and download material (say pirated music or dirty pictures) to your private collection.
> 3. What is the difference between a worm and a trojan? What other types of > virus are there? Definitions now have grown fuzzy because new or modern "malware" often combines two or more harmful functions. Originally a Trojan was a programme disguised as something else (cf. the Trojan Horse, a vehicle for non-apparent harm.) A worm was a programme that would take up residence in your computer, perhaps remain dormant for a period, and then start causing damage (like a parasite eating its host.)
Wikipedia and computer magazines aside, vendors of antivirus software have more information than any user could possibly want.
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Robert Bannister - 02 Nov 2006 01:25 GMT > This usage was extended to the Interet. You at your > standalone home PC upload files to the Internet (or > to another computer) and download material (say > pirated music or dirty pictures) to your private collection. I suspect that where it becomes confusing for some is when "downloading" is used for receiving an html image on one's screen. Obviously, it is downloading in a way, but it's not quite the same thing as saving text or images to one's disk.
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>> This usage was extended to the Interet. You at your >> standalone home PC upload files to the Internet (or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >downloading in a way, but it's not quite the same thing as saving text >or images to one's disk. But it's exactly the same thing...if you don't believe me, have a look through your cache files....r
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dontbother - 02 Nov 2006 04:19 GMT > Robert Bannister filted: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But it's exactly the same thing...if you don't believe me, have > a look through your cache files....r Functionally, yes, it's the same thing, but there isn't necessarily any intent to download and keep a copy of the files cached by a browser on one's HDD. And not only can one delete all cached browser files whenever the browser is open, there are plenty of programs that can be set to clean a browser's cache on shutdown or startup. That lack of intent cuts no ice with the intellectual property police, however, so I guess it doesn't cut any ice with the "religious police" (a generic term taken from Islamic countries where the religious police actively seek out sinners, e.g., women who drive, women who don't cover their heads, women who talk to or shake hands with men not related to them by blood or marriage, men and women who wear religious symbols, etc.) either.
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Robert Bannister - 03 Nov 2006 00:58 GMT > Robert Bannister filted: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > But it's exactly the same thing...if you don't believe me, have a look through > your cache files....r Hmm. I'm still not convinced it is exactly the same, at least from a user's point of view. True, I currently have my cache set to 200 MB, but that is a lot larger than the default, and anyway, many sites are set to rearrange themselves every day, so that the page is read anew, rather than from cache. I do know that a number of access problems can often be fixed by erasing the cache.
Somehow, I've gone off track. What I mean is, from a user's point of view downloading is saving something deliberately to a specific location, whereas websites go to a place I rarely look at and are overwritten regularly. So, if for example I view a video clip, I am undoubtedly downloading something in an electronic sense to my computer, but it's not quite the same as clicking "Save target as", "Save image as" or similar.
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T.H. Entity - 02 Nov 2006 13:41 GMT >> This usage was extended to the Interet. You at your >> standalone home PC upload files to the Internet (or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >downloading in a way, but it's not quite the same thing as saving text >or images to one's disk. Isn't that definition of downloading was what got Pete Townshend in trouble (and ultimately got him off)? IIRC, the supposed images that he had "downloaded" and "stored" on his computer were actually, along with lots of other junk, just pics that had been on websites -- including nasty unsolicited pop-ups from sites in former Soviet republics (which can happen, er, or so I've been told) -- that he had no idea were buried away in his never-cleaned IE cache.
This sort of thing reminds me of someone I know who was charged with drug trafficking after the police found "13.5 kilos" of marijuana at his house -- they weighed the plant pots and soil too.
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teddysnips@hotmail.com - 02 Nov 2006 13:08 GMT [...]
> Definitions now have grown fuzzy because new or > modern "malware" often combines two or more > harmful functions. Originally a Trojan was a > programme disguised as something else In BrE (at least my dialect of geek-speek) a computer program is spelt "program". TV, theatres, events etc. have "programmes".
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Buckwheat Soba - 03 Nov 2006 00:31 GMT > In BrE (at least my dialect of geek-speek) a computer program is spelt > "program". Truly, that is no doubt the preference, though I have seen "[computer] programme" in some BrE publications.
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Peter Duncanson - 01 Nov 2006 21:21 GMT >2. What, precisely, does the verb "download" mean. Is this merely to call >up a website and view it? Or does one have to permanently store the contents >of the website on the hard disc before one could could be said to have >"downloaded" it. This always puzzles me every time there is an item on the >news about the arrest of another internet paedophile saddie, who has >"downloaded" 4,527 pictures of abused children. Definitions of computing terms can be found at FOLDOC: http://foldoc.org/
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In this case: http://foldoc.org/?download
download <jargon> To transfer data from one computer to another. Downloading usually refers to transfer from a larger "host" system (especially a server or mainframe) to a smaller "client" system, especially a microcomputer or specialised peripheral, and "upload" usually means from small to large. Others hold that, technically, download means "receive" and upload means "send", irrespective of the size of the systems involved. Note that in communications between ground and space, space-to-earth transmission is always "down" and the reverse "up", regardless of size. So far the in-space machines have invariably been smaller; thus the upload/download distinction has been reversed from its usual sense.
>3. What is the difference between a worm and a trojan? What other types of >virus are there? Try FOLDOC, starting at: http://foldoc.org/?query=virus
virus <security> (By analogy with biological viruses, via SF) A program or piece of code written by a cracker that "infects" one or more other programs by embedding a copy of itself in them, so that they become Trojan horses. When these programs are executed, the embedded virus is executed too, thus propagating the "infection". This normally happens invisibly to the user. A virus has an "engine" - code that enables it to propagate and optionally a "payload" - what it does apart from propagating. It needs a "host" - the particular hardware and software environment on which it can run and a "trigger" - the event that starts it running. Unlike a worm, a virus cannot infect other computers without assistance. It is propagated by vectors such as humans trading programs with their friends (see SEX). The virus may do nothing but propagate itself and then allow the program to run normally. Usually, however, after propagating silently for a while, it starts doing things like writing "cute" messages on the terminal or playing strange tricks with the display (some viruses include display hacks). Viruses written by particularly antisocial crackers may do irreversible damage, like deleting files. See boot virus, phage. Compare back door. http://foldoc.org/?query=back+door
back door <security> (Or "trap door", "wormhole"). A hole in the security of a system deliberately left in place by designers or maintainers. The motivation for such holes is not always sinister; some operating systems, for example, come out of the box with privileged accounts intended for use by field service technicians or the vendor's maintenance programmers. See also iron box, cracker, worm, logic bomb.
http://foldoc.org/?query=worm
worm <networking, security> (From "Tapeworm" in John Brunner's novel "The Shockwave Rider", via XEROX PARC) A program that propagates itself over a network, reproducing itself as it goes. Compare virus. Nowadays the term has negative connotations, as it is assumed that only crackers write worms. Perhaps the best-known example was the Great Worm. Compare Trojan horse.
 Signature Peter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english)
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