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Fiance - 01 Nov 2006 21:11 GMT
Hello,

I'd like to ask native speakers to help me to discern the differences
in the meaning of these very similar (mostly legal) concepts:

1) agreement vs. understanding vs. arrangement;
2) modification of an agreement vs. amendment of an agreement.

My understanding so far is the following:

An arrangement is a less formal, perhaps verbal, agreement. I cannot
figure how "understanding" is different here.

Modification must be a minor amendment.
UC - 01 Nov 2006 21:20 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> An arrangement is a less formal, perhaps verbal,

'oral'

> agreement. I cannot
> figure how "understanding" is different here.
>
> Modification must be a minor amendment.

A 'modification' can affect the main text of an agreement. An
'amendment' generally does not affect the main text. but rather adds
other conditions or rights.
matt271829-news@yahoo.co.uk - 01 Nov 2006 21:37 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Modification must be a minor amendment.

I can't offer any advice on the technical legal meanings of these
words, but here's my feeling about their everyday use.

An "understanding" usually refers to something that hasn't been
formally laid out in any sort of binding form, but exists tacitly and
relies on the goodwill of the parties involved.

An "arrangement" is usually something ongoing. It may be informal but
doesn't necessarily have to be so. For example, if you have an
overdraft "arrangement" with your bank then you can draw on the
overdraft as and when it suits you.

"Modification" and "amendment" are to me synonymous in the context you
give. I cannot identify any clear difference between the two. (In other
contexts there is a difference though. For example, if the thing being
altered is a physical object then "modification" is much more likely
than "amendment".)
T.H. Entity - 02 Nov 2006 13:50 GMT
>> Hello,
>>
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>overdraft "arrangement" with your bank then you can draw on the
>overdraft as and when it suits you.

Agreed. "Agreement" implies a document signed by two or parties,
whereas you can often reach an arrangement (for an overdraft facility,
for example) with just a phone call

>"Modification" and "amendment" are to me synonymous in the context you
>give. I cannot identify any clear difference between the two. (In other
>contexts there is a difference though. For example, if the thing being
>altered is a physical object then "modification" is much more likely
>than "amendment".)

Again, agreed. "Amendments" are changes that are made to signed
documents with the consent of all the parties involved, and probably
require further signing by those parties in order to come into effect.
(When modifications are less formal or unilateral, they're usually
just called "changes".)

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Eric Walker - 01 Nov 2006 22:16 GMT
> I'd like to ask native speakers to help me to discern the differences
> in the meaning of these very similar (mostly legal) concepts:
>
> 1) agreement vs. understanding vs. arrangement;
> 2) modification of an agreement vs. amendment of an agreement.

Be extremely wary of interpreting legal language by ordinary usage
standards (meaning take anything anyone here says with great caution,
unless that person is a practicing attorney in your jurisdiction).  The
law, like any profession or trade, has its own jargon, and phrases can
acquire special meanings that differ from or are wider or narrower in
scope than their everyday dictionary meanings.

That said, I (*not* an attorney) would venture that an "agreement" is a
contract, that is, a legally binding set of reciprocal promises; there
are various criteria that define a binding contract, but I will not
here enumerate them.  In most jurisdictions, a contract may be written
or oral, with each equally binding; but, obviously, an oral contract is
*very* difficult to prove, as are its individual terms.

An understanding or arrangement would most likely be some meeting of
minds on reciprocal actions that does not, for one or another reason,
rise to the status of being a legally binding contract, being without
at least one and possibly several of the points that make a set of
reciprocal promises legally binding (most commonly, the lack is of
definiteness).

As to distinguishing a modification from an amendment, I cannot see any
way.  If, as I surmise, an "agreement" is a binding contract, that
contract will (or should) set forth within it the bases on which it can
validly be altered; if it does not, a similarly binding new agreement
to modify the old would be wanted.
 
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