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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006The Beeb's "Wish I Was American" Dept
This headline and summary appears on the BBC UK news front page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/: (quote) Detective fired over murder case A detective is fired and five other officers disciplined over their handling of inquiries leading up to a brutal murder. (/quote) Click on the story, though, and the link to the regional page at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/derbyshire/6105830.stm reads like this: (quote) Detective sacked over Moore case A Derbyshire detective has been sacked and five other officers disciplined over the handling of events prior to the shooting dead of a showjumper. (/quote) Them Lunneners, innit...  SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van >A Derbyshire detective has been sacked and five other officers >disciplined over the handling of events prior to the shooting dead of >a showjumper. The standard form in the US would be "fatal shooting of...". That's also the standard form in Australia, I believe. I've never heard or read "shooting dead of"; is it common in BrE? -- Michael West Expat Yank in Australia On 02 Nov 2006, Michael West wrote >> A Derbyshire detective has been sacked and five other officers >> disciplined over the handling of events prior to the shooting [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's also the standard form in Australia, I believe. I've > never heard or read "shooting dead of"; is it common in BrE? I guess so -- at least, it didn't raise as much as a flicker of an eyebrow for me. SignatureCheers, Harvey Canadian and British English, indiscriminately mixed For e-mail, change harvey.news to harvey.van > >A Derbyshire detective has been sacked and five other officers > >disciplined over the handling of events prior to the shooting dead of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > also the standard form in Australia, I believe. I've never heard or > read "shooting dead of"; is it common in BrE? Both are common in BrE, but to my ear there is a slight difference between the two. Fatal shooting - the shot was not necessarily intended to be fatal, in fact the shooting itself might have been accidental. Shooting dead - implies a more deliberate action. SignatureAlec McKenzie usenet@<surname>.me.uk >Fatal shooting - the shot was not necessarily intended to be >fatal, in fact the shooting itself might have been accidental. > >Shooting dead - implies a more deliberate action. Yes, "fatal shooting" would suggest something similar in US usage as well; i.e., that the shooting was intentional but its outcome was probably not. If the news story meant to say that the killing was intentional, it would likely be written another way, but without the construction "shooting dead of". -- Michael West > >A Derbyshire detective has been sacked and five other officers > >disciplined over the handling of events prior to the shooting dead of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > also the standard form in Australia, I believe. I've never heard or > read "shooting dead of"; is it common in BrE? For me, it simply removes the ambiguity of "shooting" on its own. Often journalists write or speak simply of "a shooting", and you don't know whether any one was killed or not. Baboon. > This headline and summary appears on the BBC UK news front page > (http://news.bbc.co.uk/: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Them Lunneners, innit... This seemed a bit drastic for shooting a horse, but then I read the article. John Kane Kingston ON Canada >> This headline and summary appears on the BBC UK news front page >> (http://news.bbc.co.uk/: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > This seemed a bit drastic for shooting a horse, but then I read the > article. So the "showjumper" was a human and so was the "police watchdog." (I, too, decided to read the article.) SignatureMaria |
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