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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006thrown under the bus
Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under the bus"? Not sure if it has as meaningful a subtext. Wolves may be temporarily satisfied by a sacrificial body thrown to them -- but a bus will run over it and keep on going without pause..  SignatureMatt Hickman 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under > the bus"? > > Not sure if it has as meaningful a subtext. Wolves may be temporarily > satisfied by a sacrificial body thrown to them -- but a bus will run > over it and keep on going without pause.. I've never heard of it. Where have you heard this phrase. Hmm. It might be a rather dubious "modernization" of the term 'railroaded'. > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Hmm. It might be a rather dubious "modernization" of the term > 'railroaded'. It is a common Americanism. It means "thrown to the wolves","hung out to dry" "left to twist in the wind". > > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > It is a common Americanism. It means "thrown to the wolves", Yes. > "hung out to dry" "left to twist in the wind". Not so much. It means, "deflect attention or trouble from yourself by bringing it upon someone else." Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) > > > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Not so much. It means, "deflect attention or trouble from yourself by > bringing it upon someone else." Which id why you throw someone uder the bus. it's so that they take the blame. > > > "hung out to dry" "left to twist in the wind". > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Which id why you throw someone uder the bus. it's so that they take > the blame. Perhaps, or blame them for some other thing. The important thing is the diversion. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) 2006-11-02 <JtadnYHlYsIuxtfYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, >> 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >> > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It is a common Americanism. It means "thrown to the wolves","hung out to > dry" "left to twist in the wind". I've never heard of it before today. One of the descriptions on urbandictionary made me think of railroaded >2006-11-02 <JtadnYHlYsIuxtfYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I've never heard of it before today. One of the descriptions on >urbandictionary made me think of railroaded How can you have escaped hearing or seeing it? It was used extensively in the Lay/Skilling/Enron reporting, still used in the Foley Fiasco, and used almost daily in some sports reporting on steroid use. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL > >2006-11-02 <JtadnYHlYsIuxtfYnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@comcast.com>, > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Foley Fiasco, and used almost daily in some sports reporting on > steroid use. Not to speak for others, but I missed all that with surprising ease except for some reports on NPR, which usually isn't that slangy. SignatureJerry Friedman > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Hmm. It might be a rather dubious "modernization" of the term > 'railroaded'. An example from the wild: [about Rumsfeld and the election results] > The GOP probably should have thrown him under the bus last week. It > could have helped them then. In Message-ID: <1163024285.117189.184060@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> in talk.origins. Best, Jan >> 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, >> > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> The GOP probably should have thrown him under the bus last week. It >> could have helped them then. Don't much hear "I wouldn't kick her (him) out of my bed." these days. But "kicked to the curb" is pretty common. I thought of that when I heard the remark you cite. > Don't much hear "I wouldn't kick her (him) out of my bed." these days. > But "kicked to the curb" is pretty common. I thought of that when I > heard the remark you cite. I still hear "wouldn't kick them out of bed" in the UK. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary >> Don't much hear "I wouldn't kick her (him) out of my bed." these >> days. But "kicked to the curb" is pretty common. I thought of >> that when I heard the remark you cite. > > I still hear "wouldn't kick them out of bed" in the UK. "... for eating crackers"? That's how I hear it here. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |So when can we quit passing laws and 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |raising taxes? When can we say of Palo Alto, CA 94304 |our political system, "Stick a fork |in it, it's done?" kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com | P.J. O'Rourke (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>> Don't much hear "I wouldn't kick her (him) out of my bed." these >>> days. But "kicked to the curb" is pretty common. I thought of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >"... for eating crackers"? That's how I hear it here. Usually it just stands alone. Sometimes "...on a hot night" is added. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary > > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The GOP probably should have thrown him under the bus last week. It > > could have helped them then. I hear it quite a bit in the "reality" shows where eliminations are performed by a panel or individual (The Apprentice, Top Chef, etc.) There's usually a "losing group" of some sort, where the next step will be to say why one should stay or another go. Brian SignatureIf televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up. -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com) > > > 2006-11-02 <1162498225.917339.54790@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, > > > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > temporarily satisfied by a sacrificial body thrown to them -- but > > > > a bus will run over it and keep on going without pause.. The image may be "discarded in a mangling way", rather than sacrificially. If you're thrown under the bus, you're unlikely to get up again. > > > I've never heard of it. Where have you heard this phrase. > > > > > > Hmm. It might be a rather dubious "modernization" of the term > > > 'railroaded'. "Railroaded" applies to various situations, where the, um, candidate may be victimized but possibly survive, or it may be used for "ramming something through regardless of opposition." "Run out of town on a rail" would be banishing someone. > > An example from the wild: > > [about Rumsfeld and the election results] > > > > > The GOP probably should have thrown him under the bus last week. It > > > could have helped them then. Aside -- And of course, there's lots of talk about how the resignation was held up until after the elections so as a) not to be a distraction and b) regain the spotlight from the Dems. > I hear it quite a bit in the "reality" shows where eliminations are > performed by a panel or individual (The Apprentice, Top Chef, etc.) > > There's usually a "losing group" of some sort, where the next step will > be to say why one should stay or another go. And if you're thrown under the bus, you're gone, gone, gone! -- right? /dps > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under > the bus"? > > Not sure if it has as meaningful a subtext. Wolves may be temporarily > satisfied by a sacrificial body thrown to them -- but a bus will run > over it and keep on going without pause.. The sense would be the same for either. "Thrown to the wolves" probably derives from the well-known tale of the horse-drawn sleigh with a family aboard being chased by a pack of wolves; if they do nothing, the wolves will surely catch up to them and kill them all, so at last they throw the baby overboard, causing the wolf pack to stop long enough that the escape of the rest is assured. Hence, "thrown to the wolves" signifies the unwanted but necessary sacrifice of some one member of a group to satisfy its attackers and (ideally) preserve the rest. Typically, the group will be those guilty of something, who hope that the savaging of some one of their members (typically, as in the tale, the most junior and, in some sense, unimportant member) will satisfy the attackers sufficiently that they will leave the rest alone. > > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under > > the bus"? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > member of a group to satisfy its attackers and (ideally) preserve the > rest. For those with a mastery of Dutch might be amused by the song: 'Troika' by Drs. P. <http://lyricsheaven.topcities.com/survey_d_k_bestanden/Drs_P.htm> Best, Jan > Has the phrase "thrown to the wolves" been replaced by "thrown under > the bus"? > > Not sure if it has as meaningful a subtext. Wolves may be temporarily > satisfied by a sacrificial body thrown to them -- but a bus will run > over it and keep on going without pause.. It replaces 'throwing to the lions' perhaps? Like the bus, the lions will go on after their meal to await the group of tasty christians, Jan You're either on the bus or off the bus. Mike M |
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