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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006"Beyond Reproach"
"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." >From Congressman John Sweeney campaign aide Maureen Donovan's statement denying the authenticity of a document regarding a telephone call Rep. Sweeney's wife may have made to the police to complain about his "knocking her around." Albany Times Union, November 1, 2006. >"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >about his "knocking her around." Albany Times Union, November 1, >2006. It's a pretty standard figure of speech. "Beyond reproach" means something so serious that a simple reproach isn't sufficient to rectify.  SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL >>"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > something so serious that a simple reproach isn't sufficient to > rectify. I don't think I've ever heard it that way, but rather the opposite, as in "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach"--that is, something that nobody could have any reason to criticize. SignatureEvan Kirshenbaum +------------------------------------ HP Laboratories |Usenet is like Tetris for people 1501 Page Mill Road, 1U, MS 1141 |who still remember how to read. Palo Alto, CA 94304 kirshenbaum@hpl.hp.com (650)857-7572 http://www.kirshenbaum.net/ >>>"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >in "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach"--that is, something that >nobody could have any reason to criticize. Chatting about Caesar's daughter, I would say she has to be *above* reproach. SignatureTony Cooper Orlando, FL On Nov 2, 8:41pm, Evan Kirshenbaum > I don't think I've ever heard it that way, but rather the opposite, as > in "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach"--that is, something that > nobody could have any reason to criticize. Was she beyond reproach? I guess in those times incest wasn't such a big deal so straying with her brother was...beyond reproach. Back to our topic, I believe that especially during campaigns many politicians display some colorful language, or controversial and intriguing linguistic structures (like the one we discuss) purposefully, so that we will talk about them; this type of language captures our attention a lot more than correct grammar, elegant style, accuracy, diction, and the like. > On Nov 2, 8:41?pm, Evan Kirshenbaum > > > I don't think I've ever heard it that way, but rather the opposite, as > > in "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach"--that is, something that > > nobody could have any reason to criticize. "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." > Was she beyond reproach? I guess in those times incest wasn't such a > big deal so straying with her brother was...beyond reproach. Wikipedia doesn't say anything about a brother and incest (are you thinking of Cleopatra perhaps? She didn't marry JC), but it says that Caesar uttered the (similar) line when he divorced his second wife -- so no, she failed to be beyond reproach, or above suspicion, either one. Although beautiful and charming, Pompeia appears to have lacked intelligence, and her marriage to Caesar appears to have been mainly for political reasons. Caesar, elected Pontifex Maximus (chief priest) that year, hosted the Bona Dea ceremony at his residence; the rites for the Mother Earth goddess Bona Dea were highly sacred and only women were permitted to witness them. During the ceremony, the volatile future tribune Publius Clodius, a well-known troublemaker disguised as a woman, entered into his house, presumably to carry out an affair with her. Although it would appear Pompeia herself was innocent of any wrongdoing, the disreputable social circle she mixed in counted against her, and she was publicly disgraced. Shortly after, Caesar divorced her, saying no more than the cryptic phrase "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion." Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeia_Sulla" SignatureBest -- Donna Richoux Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> had it: > > On Nov 2, 8:41?pm, Evan Kirshenbaum > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Caesar uttered the (similar) line when he divorced his second wife -- so > no, she failed to be beyond reproach, or above suspicion, either one. The purported incest (well, a purported incest) is between Octavia and her brother Octavian who became the emperor Augustus. They were the grand-niece and -nephew of Caesar; Octavia was married to Mark Anthony, although he left her for Cleopatra. SignatureDavid ===== > Donna Richoux <trio@euronet.nl> had it: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the grand-niece and -nephew of Caesar; Octavia was married to Mark > Anthony, although he left her for Cleopatra. Anthony was Caeser's cousin. [ ... ] > Anthony was Caeser's cousin. Also Caesar's. And I don't mean Sid. SignatureBob Lieblich Or Romero > > On Nov 2, 8:41?pm, Evan Kirshenbaum > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Retrieved from > "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompeia_Sulla" The context in which one should look at it is that Caesar (with good reason) feared for his life. With various plots against him going on the least he wanted was to be safe in his own house. A wife who (innocently of course) brings in stangers does not fit into that picture, Jan > >"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > something so serious that a simple reproach isn't sufficient to > rectify. Nope. "Beyond reproach" means innocent of any wrongdoing. "His conduct was beyond reproach" means he is honest and honorable. Leo Wong quotes: > >"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > It's a pretty standard figure of speech. "Beyond reproach" means > something so serious that a simple reproach isn't sufficient to > rectify. Count me with those who never heard of this "standard" meaning before. A phrase search in www.onelook.com finds only one hit on "beyond reproach" in any sense; this is reference.com, which cites the AHD (which is odd, because the AHD is also indexed by onelook.com), and the only definition given is "So good as to preclude any possibility of criticism." So let's turn Google loose on it and see what we get. Unfortunately, the synopses often don't make it clear what sense is intended, so it's necessary to look at the actual pages. I've done a 50-result phrase search and found exactly one example where it was used in the sense Tony cites. The poster wrote: "the devaluation of experiential learning, mentoring, and indeed the judgment acquired over time, is a death sentence on the future of American culture. The fact that this trend is actively supported by private schools that promote themselves as alternative, progressive, even revolutionary, is beyond reproach." 10 hits were duplicates, additional references to the same phrase or title. 8 hits were irrelevant: either the words weren't being used in this phrase at all, or it was unclear which sense was intended, or in one case the poster was asking what the phrase meant. Of the remaining 32, in 23 cases the phrase was clearly meant in the good sense (as per AHD), including the AHD itself. Another 8 hits were in titles referring to people who are supposed to exercise ethics, and I presume these all were also meant in the good sense. That makes 31. And, finally, there was exactly 1 hit where the phrase was used in the sense Tony describes and Leo apparently quotes. The passage reads: ...the devaluation of experiential learning, mentoring, and indeed the judgment acquired over time, is a death sentence on the future of American culture. The fact that this trend is actively supported by private schools that promote themselves as alternative, progressive, even revolutionary, is beyond reproach. I'll put the full details in a separate posting. So -- yes, the sense exists, but no, it's not common. And given the widespread use of a directly opposite meaning, I don't think it can be called "standard" eIther. SignatureMark Brader, Toronto "People say I'm a skeptic -- msb@vex.net but I find that hard to believe." My text in this article is in the public domain. > So let's turn Google loose on it and see what we get. Unfortunately, > the synopses often don't make it clear what sense is intended, so it's > necessary to look at the actual pages. I've done a 50-result phrase > search ... I'll put the full details in a separate posting. "*" lines are my summary. "Good" means the highly favorable sense, "Bad" the highly unfavorable one. beyond reproach?? Can anyone tell me what the phrase "...is beyond reproach" means? Somebody told me that my driving habits are beyond reproach, and I'd like to know just ... www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/10/messages/977.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages *Poster doesn't know Re: beyond reproach?? In Reply to: beyond reproach?? posted by Bret S. on September 24, 2001 ... Somebody told me that my driving habits are beyond reproach, and I'd like to know ... www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/10/messages/978.html - 6k - Cached - Similar pages *Good Allwords.com Definition of beyond reproach allwords.com - english dictionary with multi-lingual search. Search in German, Dutch, French, Italian, Spanish and English. Pronunciation files get rid of ... www.allwords.com/word-beyond%20reproach.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages *Good beyond reproach - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and ... Definition of beyond reproach in the Idioms Dictionary. beyond reproach phrase. What does beyond reproach expression mean? Definitions by the largest Idiom ... idioms.thefreedictionary.com/beyond+reproach - 27k - Cached - Similar pages *Good Holy, Blameless and Beyond Reproach -- Gil Rugh We are talking about reconciliation - holy, blameless, beyond reproach before ... You must be holy and blameless and beyond reproach before the throne of ... www.biblebb.com/files/gr973.htm - 48k - Cached - Similar pages *Good reproach. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English ... IDIOM:, beyond reproach So good as to preclude any possibility of criticism. 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Clearly, "deserving of reproach" is the intended meaning. -- Michael West > Mark Brader wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is beyond reproach" is a solecism as well. Clearly, "deserving > of reproach" is the intended meaning. Here are some "official" opinions:: 1. http://www.allwords.com/word-beyond%20reproach.html "Idiom: above reproach (beyond reproach) Too good to be criticized; perfect." 2. http://www.answers.com/topic/beyond-reproach 'beyond reproach: Blameless, faultless, as in Jean's conduct at school is beyond reproach. The phrase employs the verb to reproach in the sense of "censure or rebuke," a usage dating from the early 1500s.' 3. http://www.bjr.org.uk/data/2004/no1_brunson.htm "Michael Brunson. Putting ourselves beyond reproach British Journalism Review. Vol. 15, No. 1, 2004, pages 13-18" "The best response to our sense of grievance about the standards of Lord Hutton’s judgment is to make sure that our own are beyond reproach." 4. http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/pdf/summer2004/Ethics.pdf "CONDUCT BEYOND REPROACH. DVD aims to prompt discussion of ethics in biomedical research." 5. http://tinyurl.com/y9amt9 "The Scientific Education of Girls. Education beyond Reproach? by UNESCO. Journal of Peace Research, Vol. 33, No. 3 (Aug., 1996), p. 384." This usage seems above reproach. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." > I've done a 50-result phrase > search and found exactly one example where it was used in the sense > Tony cites. The poster wrote: "the devaluation of experiential learning..." ... > And, finally, there was exactly 1 hit where the phrase was used in the > sense Tony describes and Leo apparently quotes. The passage reads: > > ...the devaluation of experiential learning ... Sorry about the repetition there. An eddo, of course. SignatureMark Brader, Toronto | "Common sense isn't any more common on Usenet msb@vex.net | than it is anywhere else." --Henry Spencer > >"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > something so serious that a simple reproach isn't sufficient to > rectify. It's meaning is the exact opposite in my experience. > "It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > complain about his "knocking her around." Albany Times Union, > November 1, 2006. She was groping for "beneath contempt", under pressure. > > "It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > She was groping for "beneath contempt", under pressure. The pressure of approximative literacy? >>> "It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The pressure of approximative literacy? That too. On 2-Nov-2006, "CDB" <bellemarec@sympatico.ca> wrote in message <eie6f6$qeb$1@web.aioe.org>: > > "It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > She was groping for "beneath contempt", under pressure. Or perhaps "beyond the pale". SignatureJim Heckman >"It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >about his "knocking her around." Albany Times Union, November 1, >2006. He's a politician, 'nuff said. Politicians can be liars, cheats and swindlers and still think they are irreproachable. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk > "It's unethical, it's disgusting and it is beyond reproach." > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about his "knocking her around." Albany Times Union, November 1, > 2006. It takes more than that to become Caesar, Jan |
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