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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006BrE: if Charles had taken you that motor drive
Hello: I expected an "along" or "on" before "motor." How about it in BrE? ----- " ... if Charles had taken you that motor drive--well, you'd have reached the house a perfect wreck." E. M. Foster, Howard's End, p. 69 ------ Thanks. Marius Hancu > Hello: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > E. M. Foster, Howard's End, p. 69 > ------ I don't speak BrE, but it seems to me that a word is missing ("on", most likely).  SignatureBuckwheat Soba >> Hello: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I don't speak BrE, but it seems to me that a word is missing ("on", most >likely). Yes, by today's standards. It is possible that the version lacking "on" or "for" was normal at the time, social stratum and location of the story. (It might still be normal in some dialects or register today.) SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) "On" is undoubtedly missing, at least in standard English of today. It's bizarre without it, unless it's dialect. >"On" is undoubtedly missing, at least in standard English of today. >It's bizarre without it, unless it's dialect. Please quote what you're responding to. SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary > "On" is undoubtedly missing, The number of words missing from the context is very large indeed. For example, "ordinary" and "six" is both missing. So is "context." > at least in standard English of today. > It's bizarre without it, unless it's dialect. >>> Hello: >>> >>> I expected an "along" or "on" before "motor." > Yes, by today's standards. It is possible that the version lacking > "on" or "for" was normal at the time, social stratum and location of > the story. (It might still be normal in some dialects or register > today.) And 'Howard's End' is, if nothing else, a biting study of the British class system and social nuance. Leonard's 'what ho!' is almost certainly an attempt to ape his 'betters'. > And 'Howard's End' is, if nothing else, a biting study of the British > class system and social nuance. Leonard's 'what ho!' is almost certainly > an attempt to ape his 'betters'. Are you saying that 'what ho!' was more frequently utilised by the "higher classes?" Thanks. Marius Hancu >> And 'Howard's End' is, if nothing else, a biting study of the British >> class system and social nuance. Leonard's 'what ho!' is almost certainly [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks. > Marius Hancu very much so: as someone said in an earlier posting, it was typical of the 'Bertie Wooster' leisured classes and (I think) probably Public (=private) School slang. > >> Hello: > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the story. (It might still be normal in some dialects or register > today.) I'm sure that's right, as there seem to be analogues: Gray's "plods his weary way" comes to mind. More closely, "led him a merry dance." The more I think about it, the less strange it seems as a construction; what's unusual is perhaps that he used it with "motor drive" -- it feels like a pre-mechanisation form. SignatureMike. >> >> Hello: >> >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >what's unusual is perhaps that he used it with "motor drive" -- it >feels like a pre-mechanisation form. Yes, but a number of words and phrases were and have been carried over from the horsedrawn to the horseless carriage -- not least "drive" itself, which originated in the sense of driving animals. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) > >> >> Hello: > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > over from the horsedrawn to the horseless carriage -- not least > "drive" itself, which originated in the sense of driving animals. I think my favourite one of those is "dashboard": these days you're in trouble if it's acting as a mudguard. SignatureMike. > Yes, but a number of words and phrases were and have been carried > over from the horsedrawn to the horseless carriage -- not least > "drive" itself, which originated in the sense of driving animals. "Dashboard" and the now obsolete "running board". SignatureRob Bannister >> Yes, but a number of words and phrases were and have been carried >> over from the horsedrawn to the horseless carriage -- not least >> "drive" itself, which originated in the sense of driving animals. > >"Dashboard" and the now obsolete "running board". The model for the MS Windows user interface. SignatureSteve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa http://people.tribe.net/hayesstw E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk |
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