> In order to know where you are
> The best way's to find the North Star
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> Israel "izzy" Cohen
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/BPMaps/
The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
English as the Big and Little Dippers.
Wood Avens - 05 Nov 2006 22:27 GMT
>> In order to know where you are
>> The best way's to find the North Star
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>The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
>English as the Big and Little Dippers.
Great Bear, rather than Big Bear, in these parts; and often the
Plough, and occasionally Charles's Wain.

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R H Draney - 06 Nov 2006 05:30 GMT
Wood Avens filted:
>>The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
>>English as the Big and Little Dippers.
>>
>Great Bear, rather than Big Bear, in these parts; and often the
>Plough, and occasionally Charles's Wain.
The Dippers are not true constellations but "asterisms", each making up only a
portion of its respective Bear....r

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"Keep your eye on the Bishop. I want to know when
he makes his move", said the Inspector, obliquely.
William - 05 Nov 2006 22:29 GMT
> The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
> English as the Big and Little Dippers.
For some values of "English".

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Robert Bannister - 05 Nov 2006 23:46 GMT
> The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
> English as the Big and Little Dippers.
I think that is chiefly American. They would be better known in England
as The Plough and maybe The False Plough.

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Mark Brader - 06 Nov 2006 05:49 GMT
Ray O'Hara:
> The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known in
> English as the Big and Little Dippers.
Wrong. The Big Dipper (or the Plough in foreign countries) consists
of 7 bright stars (8 if you count Alcor) forming *part* of the Great
Bear, specifically the bear's hips and tail. In the reference I have
at hand[1], the complete bear is drawn using 12 other stars that form
the head and legs.
It is true that the 7 stars making up the Little Dipper are the same
ones typically drawn as making up the Little Bear, though. I can't
actually see an animal shape in them at all, and I imagine the Little
Bear was so named just because it was smaller than the nearby Great Bear.
[1] It's necessary to refer to a specific source because the joining
of the brighter stars into shapes that relate to the constellation's
name has no official status. Today's official constellations are just
regions of the sky bounded by arbitrary lines drawn so that each one
*includes* the stars traditionally considered as making up that
particular shape. For example, in round numbers Ursa Major's boundary
starts at right ascension 14h05m, declination +49°; it then goes N
to +55°, W to 14h20m, N to +62°, E to 13h35m, N to +63°, E to 12h05m
(all numbers estimated by eye from the maps in my book), and so on for
about 20 more sides making up the complete boundary.
My reference is "A Field Guide to the Stars and Planets", 1964, by
Donald H. Menzel, published by Houghton Mifflin in the Peterson Field
Guide series. However, the constellation figures are credited to
H.A. Rey's "The Stars: A New Way to See Them", copyright 1952, 1962.

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Toronto stars] vary so much that some are two or three
msb@vex.net times as remote as others." -- Galileo
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Amethyst Deceiver - 06 Nov 2006 11:45 GMT
> The Big Bear and Little Bear, Ursa Major and Minor, are better known
> in English as the Big and Little Dippers.
American English, perhaps, but not UK English.

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> In order to know where you are
> The best way's to find the North Star
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> (If anyone cares)
> Is why we say "getting our bearings".
So, I suppose those of us who are guided by the Southern Cross are
"star-crossed".

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izzy - 06 Nov 2006 06:21 GMT
> So, I suppose those of us who are guided by the Southern Cross are
> "star-crossed".
Yes, unless you're looking at Gladly, the cross-eyed bear. :-)
izzy