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Bob Lieblich
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>> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
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>I've lived all over the US, and in Northern Virginia for the past 40
>years, but I still think of my speech as midwestern.
I'm essentially an East Coast man, and I usually say "after". I
sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
o'clock".
I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
hillbilly English.

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Charles Riggs
Robert Bannister - 15 Nov 2006 23:43 GMT
>>>A question on American English from a British English speaker:
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> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.
I agree that it's the use of "o'clock" with anything other than the
exact hour that is strange.
"It's nine o'clock" is fine, but "It's five past nine o'clock" is weird,
as is "past 9 o'clock" or "to 9 o'clock". Whether one uses "past",
"after", "gone" or something even more unusual isn't nearly as odd as
adding the "o'clock".

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Rob Bannister
Snidely - 16 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT
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> >I'd most likely use "after," possibly "past," definitely not "gone."
> >I've lived all over the US, and in Northern Virginia for the past 40
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> sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
> o'clock".
I think it depends on context as to whether I'd use "after" or "past"
-- if someone asks me the time, I'd say "it's past nine". If I'm
thinking of an excuse for why something did or did not happen, I'd say
"well, it's after nine, dontcha know?" -- except that I only do the
"dontcha know" if I'm imitating Fargo.
I do say "o'clock", but usually just when I'm emphasizing the hour
(with the minute hand straight up) or being archly formal.
"Gone" would strictly be a foreign affectation on my part. I'm not
above doing that.
> I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.
No, only "gone light"*, "gone noon", or "gone dark" ... although
Walmart has watches cheap enough for a hill-billy budget.
* serious farmers might say "past cock-crow"
/dps
Maria - 16 Nov 2006 06:05 GMT
> I'm essentially an East Coast man, and I usually say "after". I
> sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
> o'clock".
If the person you're with had asked "is it nine-clock yet?" you might
have replied, "It's *way* past nine o'clock."*
*Maybe you wouldn't have said that, but many others would've.
> I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.
Oh, dear. I don't think you've heard the talk of a sufficient number of
hillbillies. (I think the "gone" phrasing is British.)

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Maria