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Amlish: gone/after/past nine o'clock?

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barney@cix.co.uk - 05 Nov 2006 21:41 GMT
A question on American English from a British English speaker:

Would you tend to say "it's gone nine o'clock" or "it's after nine
o'clock" or "it's past nine o'clock" (to mean that the time was later
than nine o'clock)?

Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?
Buckwheat Soba - 05 Nov 2006 21:41 GMT
> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>
> Would you tend to say "it's gone nine o'clock" or "it's after nine
> o'clock" or "it's past nine o'clock" (to mean that the time was later
> than nine o'clock)?

I'd say "It's after nine o'clock".  I might under some circumstances say
"it's past nine o'clock".  I'd never say "it's gone nine o'clock" and
can't recall ever encountering such a usage.

> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?

Not that I know from.

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R J Valentine - 06 Nov 2006 02:43 GMT
} barney@cix.co.uk wrote:
}> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
}>
}> Would you tend to say "it's gone nine o'clock" or "it's after nine
}> o'clock" or "it's past nine o'clock" (to mean that the time was later
}> than nine o'clock)?
}
} I'd say "It's after nine o'clock".  I might under some circumstances say
} "it's past nine o'clock".  I'd never say "it's gone nine o'clock" and
} can't recall ever encountering such a usage.
}
}> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?
}
} Not that I know from.

There's a South African DJ on WBJC (The Voice of Baltimore City Community
College, the only classical public radio in Greater Laurel, Fourth Largest
Metropolitan Area in America, which is also available on the Web) who does
things like "It's just gone five pahst three."  I don't hear it otherwise,
but it always seems to be used with "just", and it generally means the
time mentioned is still displayed on a digital clock.  Judith Crummick (or
Crammick or Cremmick or something; I can't tell).

I'd certainly assiciate it with BrE+, rather than MlE.

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Robert Lieblich - 06 Nov 2006 23:41 GMT
[ ... ]

> There's a South African DJ on WBJC (The Voice of Baltimore City Community
> College, the only classical public radio in Greater Laurel, Fourth Largest
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> time mentioned is still displayed on a digital clock.  Judith Crummick (or
> Crammick or Cremmick or something; I can't tell).

Judith Krummeck, according to the WBJC website:
<http://wbjc.com/judith.html>.

> I'd certainly assiciate it with BrE+, rather than MlE.

I'm not that good with non-American accents -- or American ones, for
that matter -- but if that woman is speaking with a South African
accent I'm fluent in Latvian.  Anyone who doubts me can go to their
website and listen. She's on most weekday eveningsm roughly 4-8 p.m.
Eastern time.  I'd be curious what others think.

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R J Valentine - 07 Nov 2006 02:54 GMT
...
} Judith Krummeck, according to the WBJC website:
} <http://wbjc.com/judith.html>.
}>
}> I'd certainly assiciate it with BrE+, rather than MlE.
}
} I'm not that good with non-American accents -- or American ones, for
} that matter -- but if that woman is speaking with a South African
} accent I'm fluent in Latvian.  Anyone who doubts me can go to their
} website and listen. She's on most weekday eveningsm roughly 4-8 p.m.
} Eastern time.  I'd be curious what others think.

On first impression, she might strike a body as talking with a British
accent, but I have it on good authority that she's South African.  Where's
Nat?  He'd know.

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Mike M - 15 Nov 2006 16:49 GMT
> On first impression, she might strike a body as talking with a British
> accent, but I have it on good authority that she's South African.

Going by that "pahst", I guess she must be of Anglo stock, rather than
Afrikaaner, otherwise it'd be "pest".

As for the "gone" thing.... "just gone" is typically a (BrE) response
to a request for the time, where the respondent is being as accurate as
possible without actually naming a minute count between the five-minute
divisions. "Just gone five past" means six or seven minutes past the
hour, after which point it would become "nearly ten past".

Usage without the "just" is slightly different. "Gone nine" could be
anything between 9.01 and (say) 9.15, and is typically employed on a
sudden realisation of the lateness of the hour, e.g. "Bloody hell! It's
gone nine and I'm supposed to be at home by half-past!"

You could also say (e.g.) "Hurry up, it's gone half-past".

Mike M
Robert Lieblich - 05 Nov 2006 21:52 GMT
> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?

I'd most likely use "after," possibly "past," definitely not "gone."
I've lived all over the US, and in Northern Virginia for the past 40
years, but I still think of my speech as midwestern.

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Charles Riggs - 15 Nov 2006 14:48 GMT
>> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>I've lived all over the US, and in Northern Virginia for the past 40
>years, but I still think of my speech as midwestern.

I'm essentially an East Coast man, and I usually say "after". I
sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
o'clock".

I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
hillbilly English.
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Robert Bannister - 15 Nov 2006 23:43 GMT
>>>A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.

I agree that it's the use of "o'clock" with anything other than the
exact hour that is strange.

"It's nine o'clock" is fine, but "It's five past nine o'clock" is weird,
as is "past 9 o'clock" or "to 9 o'clock". Whether one uses "past",
"after", "gone" or something even more unusual isn't nearly as odd as
adding the "o'clock".

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Snidely - 16 Nov 2006 04:36 GMT
[...]
> >I'd most likely use "after," possibly "past," definitely not "gone."
> >I've lived all over the US, and in Northern Virginia for the past 40
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
> o'clock".

I think it depends on context as to whether I'd use "after" or "past"
-- if someone asks me the time, I'd say "it's past nine".  If I'm
thinking of an excuse for why something did or did not happen, I'd say
"well, it's after nine, dontcha know?"  -- except that I only do the
"dontcha know" if I'm imitating Fargo.

I do say "o'clock", but usually just when I'm emphasizing the hour
(with the minute hand straight up) or being archly formal.

"Gone" would strictly be a foreign affectation on my part.  I'm not
above doing that.

> I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.

No, only "gone light"*, "gone noon", or "gone dark" ... although
Walmart has watches cheap enough for a hill-billy budget.

* serious farmers might say "past cock-crow"

/dps
Maria - 16 Nov 2006 06:05 GMT
> I'm essentially an East Coast man, and I usually say "after". I
> sometimes say "past nine", but perhaps I've never said "past nine
> o'clock".

If the person you're with had asked "is it nine-clock yet?" you might
have replied, "It's *way* past nine o'clock."*

   *Maybe you wouldn't have said that, but many others would've.

> I suggest that both "gone nine o'clock" and "gone nine", which I have
> either run into on TV or in person, I can't recall, are examples of
> hillbilly English.

Oh, dear. I don't think you've heard the talk of a sufficient number of
hillbillies. (I think the "gone" phrasing is British.)

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Ray O'Hara - 05 Nov 2006 22:01 GMT
> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?

After or past. I've never heard gone
CDB - 05 Nov 2006 22:43 GMT
>> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> After or past. I've never heard gone

Same for Canada.  I've heard "gone" in this context, but not from the
locals.
CDB - 06 Nov 2006 01:10 GMT
>>> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>>>
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> Same for Canada.  I've heard "gone" in this context, but not from
> the locals.

I correct myself.  Again.  What I remember is something more like
"It's gone twelve."
Percival P. Cassidy - 05 Nov 2006 23:31 GMT
> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?

I hadn't thought about this until you asked, but I am sure that I have
been known to say "it's gone nine o'clock." I was born in UK
(southeast), have lived in various parts of Oz, and have also lived in
California, New York, and Michigan, so where I might have picked up that
expression I have no idea.

Perce
Robert Bannister - 06 Nov 2006 00:22 GMT
> A question on American English from a British English speaker:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Any significant regional/period variations in the usage?

Either of the other two, but rarely "after".

England (outer London) 0-31
Western Australia 32-66.

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