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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006stood/standing
It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was standing" or "I am standing" (for example, "I was stood outside the pub, when...") Why is this? Is "stood" here the past tense or past participle? Are there any other verbs that are used similarly? matt271829-news@yahoo.co.uk, the street sweeper, clamoured: > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was > standing" or "I am standing" (for example, "I was stood outside the > pub, when...") [...] > Are there any other verbs that are used similarly? Yes. A bare-footed girl with clogs on stood sitting on the grass.  Signaturealt.usenet.kooks - Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker: September 2005 and April 2006 "K-Man's particular genius, however, lies not merely in his humour, but his ability to make posters who had previously seemed reasonably well-balanced turn into foaming, frothing, death threat-uttering maniacs" - Snarky, Demon Lord of Confusion "If the truth be known, the only reason Osama is still on the loose is because he himself hasn't fallen victim to the K-Man." - Wog George Thou jealous rascally knave. Thou swamp-donkey. > matt271829-news@yahoo.co.uk, the street sweeper, clamoured: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > A bare-footed girl with clogs on stood sitting on the grass. That makes the baby Jesus cry, you know. Signature________________________________________________________________________ Hail Eris! Demon Prince of Absurdity "And no, I did not have sex with my son. But if I did I certainly wouldn't tell you. Something so beautiful and precious should be kept private." -- Kathy L. Mosesian, or possibly not really her, confesses she may be a liar and committer of incest with her own son, in MID: <cfcd3f4660694e3afeaadaa2723e9ab1@msgid.frell.theremailer.net> The reporter asked Colin Powell (or George Bush), "What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?" He replied, "We kept the receipts." -- Bill Hicks "They thought I was fair game. I was an instrument of purpose to achieve their desires and not 100 percent real and ALSO that they had me by the short curlies because I thought that the world revolved around them and therefore I think that I am fair game and rightly so. If they want to play dirty, I get to too. It's not a one-way street. I will use the physcial strength that I have over them, my superior 5'7-3/4" height advantage, the boxing moves I paid to learn, the suprise of pussyfooting up to them with their back to me in a public place 18 1/2 years after the fact and thus not only do will they not know that I am but a pica's distance away from them, but that I even exist on earth." -- Chris Tsao is secretly John Wentzky's psychic twin. MID: <1161246083.152300.195760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Looney Maroon nominee for August 2006 Johnny D Wentzky foamed: "You never asked someone who goes into areas of the internet that are only for adults who has an underage id somehow or another if they are a cop posing as an underage person online? I guess lots of people just don't watch dateline or read stories much. Why don;t you go to pervertedjustice,com and see what they do. They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they lied to membners of the public. They are awash in their self-proclaimed glory after they posed as an underage person and agreed to do all sorts of sex acts wioth adult males, and they are adults posing as teenager themselves. They make themsleves into liars by falsely impersonating underage persons and by not fuilfilling the words they tell the victims online in their chats. Why don't you read it where they tell these victims of their deceit about how they have been with grown men and such? Why don't you read it where they say, "That would be cool." after someone makes an advance towards an adult who is posing as a teenager? And, where they agree to meet the person, etc. Lost control, didn't you? Is that why you feel as if you need to lie so much now? I see where lots of these false impersonation games are not sticking. They feel as if they can lie and then order the victims to get counseling in the gayblade, governmental, pro-choice tax leech counseling centers. They are doing nothing more than usury and fraud in many cases." -- Wentzky almost comes out of the closet as a pedo/ephebophile in MID: <H%%Eg.28916$Uq1.22411@bignews6.bellsouth.net> >It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Why is this? Is "stood" here the past tense or past participle? Are >there any other verbs that are used similarly? "Sat" is certainly used like this, and probably other verbs, though I can't think of any at the moment. It used to be regional dialect (Northern, I think), but is now widespread. David > >It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > >non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > David Yes, "sat" is a good example (really should've thought of that). It's interesting that these are both verbs describing one's physical position. I wonder if that is significant. By analogy, for "lie" we ought to have "I was lay on the ground" (or possibly "I was lain on the ground"), but these both sound totally wrong to me. However, "I was laid on the ground", in the sense of "I was lying on the ground", sounds much more plausible, and I think I may have heard it used this way. So, by analogy I wonder if the "I" in "I was stood outside the pub" was originally supposed to be the object rather than the subject, and the construction has nothing at all to do with substituting "stood" for "standing"? >>It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >>non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I can't think of any at the moment. It used to be regional dialect > (Northern, I think), but is now widespread. Our little old noodlehead might give some authority to the dialectal "stood" as past participle of "stay" and as a variant of "stayed". "I shoulda stood in bed". I've only heard this in plays, radio talk and movies as the kind of thing a NYer might say (Bronxer or Brooklynite, I think.) > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Why is this? Is "stood" here the past tense or past participle? Are > there any other verbs that are used similarly? Sat/sitting. And, indeed, both are also used in phrases such as "there I was, stood standing at the bus stop when..." and "there I was, sat sitting in the pub when..." SignatureLinz Wet Yorks via Cambridge, York, London and Watford My accent may vary > > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > standing at the bus stop when..." and "there I was, sat sitting in the > pub when..." It's non-standard, of course. But the same structure is standard with other verbs expressing physical attitude, such as "crouch". My first suggestion for why this should be is that "stand" and "sit" can be used transitively, while "crouch" generally can't. That would mean "I was sat in the corner" may sometimes be ambiguous because it doesn't say whether I sat myself there or somebody sat me; but "I was crouched in the corner" isn't ambiguous in the same way. (Just a thought: I'm half expecting to be proved wrong.) (AARGGGH!!! I DON'T BLOODY WELL BELIEVE IT!!!! R3 ARE PLAYING THOSE FLAMING PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBLOODYBITION AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! MERCY!!!!!!!!!!) <Subsides, indeed crouched, into a corner, whimpering gently.> SignatureMike. [...] > (AARGGGH!!! I DON'T BLOODY WELL BELIEVE IT!!!! R3 ARE PLAYING THOSE > FLAMING PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBLOODYBITION AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! > MERCY!!!!!!!!!!) > > <Subsides, indeed crouched, into a corner, whimpering gently.> I saw Boris Giltburg play this at the Pittville Pump Rooms in the summer. Despite it being a shocking old warhorse, he did make a lovely noise. Will. > > > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > > > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > the corner" isn't ambiguous in the same way. (Just a thought: I'm half > expecting to be proved wrong.) I suspect you're right. > (AARGGGH!!! I DON'T BLOODY WELL BELIEVE IT!!!! R3 ARE PLAYING THOSE > FLAMING PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBLOODYBITION AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! > MERCY!!!!!!!!!!) Note to self: Learn to compose classical music and write /Flaming Pictures from an Exhibloodybition/. Anyway, 'tswhy you have an iPod or even a Walkman, right? People around Britain are suffering or tapping their feet to that "shocking old warhorse", and you're listening to Wolf or Monteverdi or whoever Radio 3 do(es)n't play enough. SignatureJerry Friedman [...] > > (AARGGGH!!! I DON'T BLOODY WELL BELIEVE IT!!!! R3 ARE PLAYING THOSE > > FLAMING PICTURES FROM AN EXHIBLOODYBITION AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!! > > MERCY!!!!!!!!!!) > > Note to self: Learn to compose classical music and write /Flaming > Pictures from an Exhibloodybition/. I look forward to the premi?re, perhaps to be given at Tate Modern (I think the acoustic in the Turbine Hall would be suitably overwhelming) or MOMA. > Anyway, 'tswhy you have an iPod or even a Walkman, right? People > around Britain are suffering or tapping their feet to that "shocking > old warhorse", and you're listening to Wolf or Monteverdi or whoever > Radio 3 do(es)n't play enough. I'm no Luddite: I have one of Oregon's cutest. But, owing to what dear Graeme would have called an Oblomov tendency, I've never actually used it. SignatureMike. > > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, > > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > standing at the bus stop when..." and "there I was, sat sitting in the > pub when..." I've never heard of such usage. It's completely bizarre to my American ears. >> > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >> > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I've never heard of such usage. It's completely bizarre to my American ears. It's not even slang in Northern England, more a dialect feature that nobody blinks an eye at. For example, here's a Yorkshire police officer using it in court testimony only last month: Pc Milburn, 37, of Birstall, Batley, said she was "a stride" behind Pc Beshenivsky as they walked from their patrol car to the Universal Express travel agents. She said she heard a noise which seemed to be coming from the travel agents. She said: "I was stood slightly behind Sharon. Sharon was covering the left side.["] http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6060252.stm [ObGenderAwarenessIssues: Would PC Milburn's age have been mentioned if she'd been a he? Still I suppose we should at least be grateful that they stopped short of "the full-figured crimestopper" or "Bradford's answer to Angie Dickinson"] SignatureRoss Howard >> And, indeed, both are also used in phrases such as "there I was, stood >> standing at the bus stop when..." and "there I was, sat sitting in the >> pub when..." > >I've never heard of such usage. It's completely bizarre to my American ears. Equally to my English ears. David >> > It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >> > non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I've never heard of such usage. It's completely bizarre to my American ears. Are you referring to "stood standing" and "sat sitting"? My British ears would find those somewhat bizarre although not completely unfamiliar. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) >>>> It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >>>> non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > My British ears would find those somewhat bizarre although not > completely unfamiliar. Perhaps I know more people who remember Hylda Baker? >>>>> It's quite common - in the UK at least - for people to say, >>>>> non-standardly, "I was stood" or "I am stood" instead of "I was [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Perhaps I know more people who remember Hylda Baker? Yes. I'm on the list. SignaturePeter Duncanson, UK (in alt.usage.english) |
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