Is "no one" an indefinite article (as in "nobody") ?
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ChitaShines - 10 Nov 2006 01:43 GMT I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words?
For example, "nobody" is (I belive) an indefinite article; but, is "no one" or "none" also an indefinite article?
dontbother - 10 Nov 2006 01:49 GMT > I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be > two words? > > For example, "nobody" is (I belive) an indefinite article; but, > is "no one" or "none" also an indefinite article? "Nobody" is a pronoun. Don't be fooled into acting on the foundation of belief. Seek facts and check them, and you will better serve humankind and will not be as ill-served, except by other blind believers.
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jan-erikskm@hotmail.com - 10 Nov 2006 02:12 GMT > I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words? > > For example, "nobody" is (I belive) an indefinite article; but, is "no one" > or "none" also an indefinite article? You already got the answer that it's a pronoun, but it's a so-called ""indefinite" pronoun", yes. The indefinite article in English is "a" or "an", depending on whether the next word begins with a consonant or a vowel, albeit there are probably some exceptions.. And yes, only singular, there are no article in front of indefinite words in plural: men, women, houses.. French has an article in that usage: des hommes/femmes/maisons..
Examples of indefinite pronouns: everybody/-one, nobody/-one, everything, nothing, something, anything, etc...
ChitaShines - 10 Nov 2006 07:23 GMT >> I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words? >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Examples of indefinite pronouns: everybody/-one, nobody/-one, > everything, nothing, something, anything, etc... Oooooops. I had a brain siezure. I _meant_ indefinite PRONOUN (sorry, I was typing fast to take my daughter to a girl-scout meeting and I didn't proofread what I wrote).
Please allow me to start over...
Bearing in mind the indefinite-pronoun triad contains "*one", "*body", and "*thing" singular indefinite pronouns (e.g., anyone, anybody, anything; someone, somebody, something; everyone, everybody, everything; everyone, everybody, everything, etc.), my question revolves around "no one", "nobody", and "nothing".
The negating factor of "no" would seem, to me, to create a zero sized set (i.e., neither singular nor plural) couldn't then be used in place of a noun which didn't exist in the first place.
Hence, I'm confused. Are "no one", "nobody", and "nothing" indefinite pronouns?
dontbother - 10 Nov 2006 09:34 GMT >>> I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be >>> two words? [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Hence, I'm confused. > Are "no one", "nobody", and "nothing" indefinite pronouns? Yes, but if you would stick to analyzing English using linguistic concepts instead of math and logic concepts, you wouldn't confuse yourself.
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ChitaShines - 10 Nov 2006 15:12 GMT >> Are "no one", "nobody", and "nothing" indefinite pronouns? > > Yes, but if you would stick to analyzing English using linguistic > concepts instead of math and logic concepts, you wouldn't confuse > yourself. Hi there dontbother, Is that a yes or a no?
Skitt - 10 Nov 2006 19:48 GMT [someone had asked:]
>>> Are "no one", "nobody", and "nothing" indefinite pronouns? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hi there dontbother, > Is that a yes or a no? Reread the first word in dontbother's post.
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bill fortini - 11 Nov 2006 15:49 GMT > [someone had asked:] > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Reread the first word in dontbother's post. You're both wrong. The compound word NO ONE is not a pronoun in any way, shape or form. Look it up. Look up NO and then ONE and neither is a pronoun. Sorry to Skitt and dontbother but there are no compound pronouns.
dontbother - 11 Nov 2006 16:18 GMT > On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:48:18 -0800, Skitt wrote: >> [someone had asked:] [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > any way, shape or form. Look it up. Look up NO and then ONE and > neither is a pronoun. Oops. You might want to trade your two-bit dictionary for a decent one. Here's what MW11 says about "no one":
Main Entry:no one Function:pronoun Date:before 12th century
: no person : NOBODY
and here's what it says about "one 3 [pronoun]":
Main Entry:3 one Function:pronoun Date:13th century
1 : a certain indefinitely indicated person or thing <saw one of his friends> 2 a : an individual of a vaguely indicated group : anyone at all <one never knows> b — used as a third person substitute for a first person pronoun <I'd like to read more but one doesn't have the time> 3 : a single instance of a specified action <felt like belting him one — John Casey> usage Sense 2a is usually a sign of a formal style. A formal style excludes the participation of the reader or hearer; thus one is used where a less formal style might address the reader directly <for the consequences of such choices, one has only oneself to thank — Walker Gibson>. This generic one has never been common in informal use in either British or American English, and people who start sentences with one often shift to another pronoun more natural to casual discourse <when one is learning the river, he is not allowed to do or think about anything else — Mark Twain>. Use of one to replace a first-person pronoun<sense 2b>has occasionally been criticized. It is more common in British English than in American <I'm watching this pretty carefully and I hope that the issue will come up in the Lords and one may be able to speak about it — Donald Coggan>.
> Sorry to Skitt and dontbother but there > are no compound pronouns. But, you seem to be the expert on this, so why don't you tell us what "no one" is if it isn't a pronoun.
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Skitt - 11 Nov 2006 19:02 GMT >> [someone had asked:]
>>>>> Are "no one", "nobody", and "nothing" indefinite pronouns? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is a pronoun. Sorry to Skitt and dontbother but there are no compound > pronouns. I see that dontbother has already shown you the error of your ways. Nice try, though.
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Robert Bannister - 11 Nov 2006 23:11 GMT >>[someone had asked:] >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > shape or form. Look it up. Look up NO and then ONE and neither is a > pronoun. Sorry to Skitt and dontbother but there are no compound pronouns. One is somewhat confused by your allegation that "one" is not a pronoun.
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SherLok Merfy - 10 Nov 2006 21:55 GMT > Examples of indefinite pronouns: everybody/-one, nobody/-one, > everything, nothing, something, anything, etc... Excuse me, but aren't "every-[body|one|thing]" absolute pronouns? I don't see how something absolute can be indefinite. With the way some people throw absolutes around, maybe they seem indefinite, as in a substitute for "we". _______ <a href="http://www.mynumo.com/SherLok">BrewJay's Babble Bin, lite.</a>
Jan-Erik - 11 Nov 2006 13:56 GMT SherLok Merfy skrev:
> > Examples of indefinite pronouns: everybody/-one, nobody/-one, > > everything, nothing, something, anything, etc... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > With the way some people throw absolutes around, maybe they seem > indefinite, as in a substitute for "we". I've never heard of "absolute" pronouns. I learned that these are indef. pron. You can't define them, see? You can't tell what size "everybody" refers to, for example.., what kind of a crowd is meant by it.. I think "absolute" is used along with some other grammatical category.. Isn't there something called "absolute accusative" in German? Anyway.....
UC - 10 Nov 2006 22:03 GMT > I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words? > > For example, "nobody" is (I belive) an indefinite article; but, is "no one" > or "none" also an indefinite article? The articles are 'a', 'an', and 'the'.
Evan Kirshenbaum - 10 Nov 2006 22:31 GMT >> I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words? >> >> For example, "nobody" is (I belive) an indefinite article; but, is "no one" >> or "none" also an indefinite article? > > The articles are 'a', 'an', and 'the'. And "" for indefinite plurals, in some formalisms.
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R H Draney - 11 Nov 2006 08:05 GMT Evan Kirshenbaum filted:
>>> I'm told indefinite articles are all singular but can they be two words? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >And "" for indefinite plurals, in some formalisms. And "some", in others....
(Or were you slyly alluding to that?)...r
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