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Discussion Groups / English Usage / November 2006Jack Palance
Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." Film maudit, no? Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." > Film maudit, no? Forgot the link: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/movies/AP-Obit-Palance.html?hp&ex=1163221200&en= 46592b41d3f6811d&ei=5094&partner=homepage Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad >> Cafe." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego Bagdad. > Bagdad. Your correction shows the film was undervalued even by me. To tie this to AUE I offer an excerpt from OED2's entry for "maudit, a.:" [Fr., pa. pple of maudire to curse, damn. Cf. maledict a. (n.) Although maudit has various senses in French, its uses in English seem to derive exclusively from (and are often explicitly analogous with) the earlier borrowing po?te maudit.] Of creative artists or their work: insufficiently appreciated by contemporaries; unsung, undeservedly neglected. Usu. postpositive with nouns (sometimes other Fr. rather than Eng. nouns). Cf. po?te maudit n. ... 1972 Guardian 10 May 14/3 The unsurpassed film maudit of this genre is 'The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari', an expressionistic nightmare. ... >> Bagdad. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > genre is 'The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari', an expressionistic > nightmare. ... I agree about the film. A few months ago I passed by the site of the former outpost called Bagdad. Couldn't discover a trace. Now the weather is turning tolerable in that area, I may give it another shot.  SignatureFrank ess >> Bagdad. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > genre is 'The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari', an expressionistic > nightmare. ... Here in Quebec, "maudit" and "anglais" are the usual concatenation. Cheers, Sage > Here in Quebec, "maudit" and "anglais" are the usual concatenation. Yes, on Googling a little I see that "maudit anglais" is usually intended as a derogatory reference to English speakers in your area. Perhaps there is a parallel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goddamned_Dutch The Goddamned Dutch (aka "The Souse Family" or "Drunk Last Night") is a traditional drinking song found among Hash House Harriers, Rugby players and fraternities. Traditional Lyrics Drunk last night. Drunk the night before, Gonna get drunk tonight like I never been drunk before, For when I'm drunk I'm as happy as can be; For I am a member of the Souse family, Now the Souse family is the best family That ever came over from Old Germany. With the Highland Dutch, and the Lowland Dutch; And the Rotterdam Dutch, and the Irish. Now when God made the Irish, he didn't make much; But he surely made 'em better than the Rotterdam Dutch Sing Glorious! Sing Glorious! Sing one keg of beer for the four of us! Sing and glory be to God that there are no more of us; For four of us can drink it all alone! >>> Bagdad. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Here in Quebec, "maudit" and "anglais" are the usual concatenation. I was told French speaking Canadians regard the English as sacred. Was I misinformed? SignatureJohn Dean Oxford >>>> Bagdad. >>> Your correction shows the film was undervalued even by me. To tie [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I was told French speaking Canadians regard the English as sacred. Was I > misinformed? So they should. But in 40-odd years here, I've never had the blessing thrown my way. Other things, yes, but not the blessing. I'd say you have been misinformed. Cheers, Sage > I was told French speaking Canadians regard the English as sacred. > Was I misinformed? It was only last night that I discovered, while reading something by Victor Hugo, that "sacré bleu" was a cleaned-up version of "sacré Dieu". SignaturePeter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org Please note the changed e-mail and web addresses. The domain eepjm.newcastle.edu.au no longer exists, and I can no longer receive mail at my newcastle.edu.au addresses. The optusnet address could disappear at any time. >> I was told French speaking Canadians regard the English as sacred. >> Was I misinformed? > > It was only last night that I discovered, while reading something by > Victor Hugo, that "sacré bleu" was a cleaned-up version of "sacré > Dieu". Holy profanity Batman! SignatureJohn Dean Oxford > Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." > Film maudit, no? > > Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego he was great in everything. he dominates the movie barabas even though he is only in at the end. bagdad cafe is a seriously overlooked movie. a great actor. > "tinwhistler" <ozziemaland@post.harvard.edu> wrote >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > end. bagdad cafe is a seriously overlooked movie. > a great actor. And the same in real life as he was on the screen: bigger than life and dominating even without trying to be. SignatureFranke: EFL teacher & medical editor Native speaker of American English; posting from Taiwan. Unmunged email: /at/easypeasy.com "Impatience is the mother of misery." >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." >> Film maudit, no? >bagdad cafe is a seriously overlooked movie. Yabbut, I saw it again just last week and found it hasn't worn well at all. Having found it quite fetching (if not moving) when I first saw it, this time it just had "vapid feelgood quirky indie-oid utter waste of time" written all over it. It's a whole genre, that had it's heyday in the Nineties but is still with us: "Gilbert Grape", "Wilder Napalm" and, more recently, "Big Fish", or, here in Yurp, "Amelie" .... SignatureMillicent Tendency (TEFKATHE) > >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." > >> Film maudit, no? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > in the Nineties but is still with us: "Gilbert Grape", "Wilder Napalm" > and, more recently, "Big Fish", or, here in Yurp, "Amelie" .... There is nothing wrong with light fare. It makes no pretence of being high art. >> >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." >> >> Film maudit, no? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >There is nothing wrong with light fare. It makes no pretence of being high >art. I thought he was great as the gunfighter Jack Wilson in "Shane". The scene where the dog slinks away from him as he enters the saloon was a nice touch. SignatureRobin Herts, England > > >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." > > >> Film maudit, no? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > There is nothing wrong with light fare. It makes no pretence of being high > art. Jack Palance also survives as a caricature in the French cowboy universe of Lucky Luke, in the form of the hired killer Phil Defer, Jan >> >> Today's NYTimes obituary doesn't mention his part in "Baghdad Cafe." >> >> Film maudit, no? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >There is nothing wrong with light fare. It makes no pretence of being high >art. No, nothing wrong with it at all. But strip away from BagCaf all the pseudy-arty quirkiness, all the feelgood social melting pot (there's this black woman, Bavarian woman and Western gunslinger in this bar, and...), all the overkill of a perfectly decent song once or twice but not fourteen times in 90 minutes, and all the one hundred clichés of magic realism tossed in for good measure, and what are you left with? Something that's just as light but a lot less well-written, well-directed or well-acted than the average Meg Ryan or Sandra Bullock romcom. SignatureMillicent Tendency (TEFKATHE) > strip away from BagCaf all the > pseudy-arty quirkiness, "Pseudy" in this context looks to be an intensifier, denoting an extremeness that goes over your threshold of acceptability. If you take away the extreme arty quirkiness from Quarantino's _Kill Bill_ , or Lynch's _Blue Velvet_ or _Twin Peaks_, you'd make them pretty lousy works. Was your threshold exceeded in those also? Aloha ~~~ Ozzie Maland ~~~ San Diego > Yabbut, I saw it again just last week and found it hasn't worn well at > all. Having found it quite fetching (if not moving) when I first saw > it, this time it just had "vapid feelgood quirky indie-oid utter waste > of time" written all over it. It's a whole genre, that had it's heyday > in the Nineties but is still with us: "Gilbert Grape", "Wilder Napalm" > and, more recently, "Big Fish", or, here in Yurp, "Amelie" .... Quote: "Europe, or Yurp, is populated by pesky people." http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Europe I liked "Amelie" a lot, and I liked "Gilbert Grape." These "feel-good" movies provide glimpses of outcasts and misfits (Bukowski folks) who suggest other ways our culture might be set up, other memes than those trumpeted constantly by the popular media - when they're made well they make me feel good and that's something I don't feel bad about. Thanks for whetting my appetite to see "Wider Napalm" and "Big Fish." 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