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rzed - 12 Nov 2006 00:26 GMT
I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean "come
to light".

One example:

"Yes I know there is a massive Canadian Liberal scandal that has
unsurfaced, the point being, they didn't get away with it because of
the two party system."
<http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-6230-0.html?forumID=8&threadID=
196566&messageID=2047740>

I suppose it could mean something like "the scandal has emerged
entirely from the surface of the [metaphoric] water" but I'm not sure
that I'd believe it if you told me so.

Should I start practicing this usage now, or wait until the RR creeps
up a little?

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Eric Walker - 12 Nov 2006 01:25 GMT
> I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean "come
> to light".
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> unsurfaced, the point being, they didn't get away with it because of
> the two party system."

One should always cut a little slack for persons speaking off the cuff.
In those circumstances, especially if the situation involves pressure
(as a political interview might), it is all too easy to swap horses in
mid-stream, so to speak, and end up in trouble.  Almost surely the
speaker there got caught dismounting from "been uncovered" to mount
"surfaced" (or perhaps vice-versa), but got his leg caught in the
metaphorical stirrup.

>From an admittedly casual Google search, "unsurfaced" seems uniquely
associated with things that often have surfaces, from roads to timber.
rzed - 12 Nov 2006 03:02 GMT
>> I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean
>> "come to light".
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> "been uncovered" to mount "surfaced" (or perhaps vice-versa),
> but got his leg caught in the metaphorical stirrup.

To be sure. I don't claim this to be a widespread phenomenon yet.
I think it's the tip of an unsurfacing kraken.

>>From an admittedly casual Google search, "unsurfaced" seems
>>uniquely
> associated with things that often have surfaces, from roads to
> timber.

Mostly, I'm sure, but not entirely. Googling on "have unsurfaced",
for instance, I would expect to (and do) find statements like "All
sites also have unsurfaced and undulating areas." But 22 of 36
hits were of forms like these:

<goobergrl.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_goobergrl_archive.html>
"the results of my interrogation of the suspects, and any clues
that I have unsurfaced in my preliminary investigation."

'Dynamite new developments have unsurfaced in what is now being
referred to as "Cup Gate"'
<alexia.us/anaheimangels/index.php?showtopic=5124 - 64k -
Supplemental Result>

"It's also common knowledge that deleted scenes have unsurfaced
recently from the superior Friday Part 6."
<www.unitshifter.com/amanda.html>

"More distressful facts have unsurfaced ..."
<constantineboards.com/showthread.php?t=338756 - 103k -
Supplemental Result ->

Another 3 of the 36 hits were ambiguous, such as "Better watch out
maybe I have unsurfaced issues!"
<discussion.socalskateparks.com/archive/index.php?t-576.html - 11k
- Supplemental Result ->

... where it isn't clear from that snippet whether the issues
remain beneath the surface or have been brought out.

It's not likely that 25 of 36 hits for a particular phrase
positively reveals a new usage, but it is more than the occasional
slip of the tongue, it seems to me. We may be seeing the emergence
of a new idiom, though I expect most people could care less about
it.

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Blinky the Shark - 12 Nov 2006 07:19 GMT
> I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean "come to
> light".
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> entirely from the surface of the [metaphoric] water" but I'm not sure
> that I'd believe it if you told me so.

"Unsurfaced" meaning "surfaced" strikes me as being the same as
"irregardless" meaning "regardless".

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DianeE - 13 Nov 2006 00:31 GMT
> > I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean "come to
> > light".
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> "Unsurfaced" meaning "surfaced" strikes me as being the same as
> "irregardless" meaning "regardless".
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Ah, you beat me to the punch.  Guess I could mention flammable/inflammable,
but not really, since it's "flammable" that's the back-formation.
DianeE
Donna Richoux - 13 Nov 2006 12:45 GMT
> Ah, you beat me to the punch.  Guess I could mention flammable/inflammable,
> but not really, since it's "flammable" that's the back-formation.

Actually "flammable" and "inflammable" arose from different paths -- you
are suggesting that "flammable" is a shortening of "inflammable" but
it's not. Take a look at the etymolgies in MW or another dictionary.

What did happen in modern times is that "flammable" was strongly
recommended for use as the clearer of the two words.

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Nick Spalding - 13 Nov 2006 14:23 GMT
Donna Richoux wrote, in <1hoqtqj.lqyb0aupo8sN%trio@euronet.nl>
on Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:45:13 +0100:

> > Ah, you beat me to the punch.  Guess I could mention flammable/inflammable,
> > but not really, since it's "flammable" that's the back-formation.
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> What did happen in modern times is that "flammable" was strongly
> recommended for use as the clearer of the two words.

Unless you have grown up with the other!
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DianeE - 14 Nov 2006 03:11 GMT
> > Ah, you beat me to the punch.  Guess I could mention flammable/inflammable,
> > but not really, since it's "flammable" that's the back-formation.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What did happen in modern times is that "flammable" was strongly
> recommended for use as the clearer of the two words.
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Ah, I see you are right.  "The Word Detective" says that "flammable" had
fallen into disuse, but was deliberately revived by safety officials to
reduce the chance of someone mistaking "inflammable" for "fireproof."
Thanks for the correction.
DianeE
jaapsch - 13 Nov 2006 13:06 GMT
> > > I happened to notice an odd usage today: "unsurfaced" to mean "come to
> > > light".
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> > "Unsurfaced" meaning "surfaced" strikes me as being the same as
> > "irregardless" meaning "regardless".

A better example of that phenomenon is "The boxes were still unpacked",
a topic that Language Log has spent many posts on.

Maybe there was instead simply some confusion with "uncovered", though
that word does not fit into the sentence directly without also
inserting "been" before it.

Jaap
 
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